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Navtiger1
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
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can write a simple algorithm


And that is what the Smart Tech guy, i assume that is you, are good for. They aren't leaders because they don't see the people involved and they 99% of the time have no idea how to talk to or manage human capital. They know algorithms, not people. And computers and programming are not the solution to every business problem.

I have a guy who works for me, who i'm certain has a much higher IQ than me. But he also has the people skills of a wet dipper and the tactical skills of a 90 year old man. He has no ability to make split second decisions, he over analyzes everything.


fr33manator
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
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And that is what the Smart Tech guy, i assume that is you, are good for. They aren't leaders because they don't see the people involved and they 99% of the time have no idea how to talk to or manage human capital. They know algorithms, not people. And computers and programming are not the solution to every business problem.


Yup. They see people like they do numbers or algorithms.

Which, if he was really as smart as he thinks he is, he could do, Because leaders see people like that too, in a way. Just not the way “smart guys” see them.

Your workers are, for all intents and purposes, tools.
Not in any derogatory way, but in a big picture way. They are tools in the manager’s bag. A swivel ratchet is a beautifully designed tool. About the best for its specific task.
But if you go hammering nails with a ratchet, or a laser level, or any tool that ain’t designed for that task...well, nothing is coming out right and you’ll have some broke tools.

Now a hammer...a hammer is a stupid tool. It’s a simple tool. It’s a big hunk of metal at the end of a piece of stuff.
But If it’s well made, and reliable, that stupid hammer will pound every nail in flawlessly in the hands of someone who knows how to hammer.

A good leader knows what tools he has and when and where to use them.


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Dixie Normus
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
No one is “smarter than me” in every facet of intelligence/knowledge. My orthopedist is smart as hell and could be smarter than my neurologist, but I sure as shite wouldn’t care what the ortho says about my brain tumor.

Also, knowledge and intelligence can’t be looked at in a vacuum. For example, an economist my have 100% true and correct general, tree-top opinions on the US economy as a whole, but can those ideas be perfectly applicable to the states given the wide arrays of cultures, geography, and resources available to each state? Absolutely not.

Finally, while I don’t think this was your intent, saying that a person is “better” than someone for any reason is reprehensible. We are all free to make our own decisions as long as they are legal and even if they are the “wrong” decision. In fact, wrong decisions often help people help make the right decision more consistently in the future than someone making the “right” decision helps someone avoid future wrong decisions.


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DiamondDog
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
People will listen to those who they have the ability to engage and converse with.

Often those with high technical knowledge, have few soft skills that help build relationships.

It’s a key factor in how many folks you may work with are highly competent but reach dead ends in their careers.


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Bestbank Tiger
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
Because they aren't necessarily an expert on the subject at hand.

I'm not going to ask a surgeon or a rocket scientist to recommend my next stock play.


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Warfox
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
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So the sooner you learn to drop your arrogance, the better. It won’t get you anywhere


Humility is a stepping stone on the path to enlightenment.


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DiamondDog
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
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But I could never lead these people because I don't have the patience or temperament to deal with them.

No I don't give a frick about what your kid did, can you please just do this and shut the frick up is what my answer would be.

Which isn't a good leader in today's world.


I felt this same way when I was young. Then I got more experience and saw the value in engaging people. You want your career to go places? Start investing in those you work with: emotionally, performance wise, etc.

The hardest lesson I ever learned and still learning is that power and leadership doesn’t come from a title. It’s comes from being able to influence those around you; have people listen to you because they want to. That’s leadership.

I’ve been trying to put that into practice myself and I started at the bottom in my company. In two years, I’m called into corporate meetings, part of the management staff from the field (unheard of) and have two of our VPs consult me (line staff) regularly on our departments direction. I was hired in the 80s, In 18 months I’m in the 140s. Just got another raise. That’s a big accomplishment for someone like me who isn’t the brightest bulb and a general studies degree.

The point is this...I’m nothing special. I had to learn hard lessons. You can take your attitude and make a change for the better or you can just ride out your career where you’re at. Your choice.
This post was edited on 10/17 at 7:45 am


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Gee Grenouille
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
I've tried everything the hard way. Then I realized I'm just a guy that sits by myself in a room full of servers at a plant. All I do is make little red lights on a screen turn green. Life's easier this way.


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arcalades
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
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Most adults try to figure things out for themselves or at least they should.
probably the best example you'll find of mankind's biggest problem and ignorance: selfism.


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sabes que
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
Just because someone is “smarter” doesn’t mean they are right about everything. Just look at how much economist for example, disagree on things in economics. Also look at Politics, there are extremely brilliant minds on both sides, yet they hold completely diametrically opposing viewpoints.


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sabes que
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
Also a lot of times it’s not just a matter of being “mentally superior.” There are many types of intelligence. Some people have fantastic memories and are quick to process information, but they may completely lack creativity. Also, there is social intelligence, some people are extremely smart but lack any type of social skills/awareness. Some people may not be “book smart” but have knack for figuring out how things work together mechanically. Basically you need to re think the whole way you think about “being smart” or “mentally superior” especially in the sense as it relates to everyday life.


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reddy tiger
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
Because intelligence is nothing if standing alone. You need perspective, correct data, emotional maturity, (etc.) AND intelligence to make “intelligent” decisions.

Admittedly, some of it is just pride. People will accept their physical shortcomings because they have to. You don’t often see a short guy walk up to a tall guy and claim to be the same height. But no one wants to admit they’re stupid.
This post was edited on 10/17 at 9:24 am


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GurleyGirl
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
Just because someone is smarter than you (aka more intelligent) doesn't necessarily mean that their opinion on a particular subject is more valid.
I know you want to keep this non-political but the classic case of this are liberal progressives who undoubtedly think they are smarter than dumbass conservatives but who support absolutely terrible social and economic policies.


sabes que
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
It’s annoying to me when people say stuff like, “you have to be a complete idiot to be a liberal/conservative” or “they all lack the intelligence to understand the issues.” There are absolutely brilliant people all up and down the political spectrum, and yes, on both extremes as well.


fr33manator
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
Absolutes are almost always wrong.


sabes que
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
You’re absolutely right. Lol.


Eyebesmacinhose
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
Because being smart don’t make ya right


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Swamp Angel
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Lawrenceville, GA
Member since Jul 2004
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
A big part of the reason they won't listen to people who are smarter than them is that they don't really consider that person to be smarter. All they're doing when they go to that person is being lay and looking for someone else to do their work for them. These are the same people who had other folks write their term papers for them. Essentially, they're arrogant cucks.


hawkster
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
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It’s annoying to me when people say stuff like, “you have to be a complete idiot to be a liberal/conservative” or “they all lack the intelligence to understand the issues.” There are absolutely brilliant people all up and down the political spectrum, and yes, on both extremes as well.


What if one group of people consistently complains that they have been denied a quality or even acceptable education by the other side for generations?

But then somehow, miraculously and undeniably and universally, when it comes to complex political processes, this group knows exactly what's best for them and everyone else in spite of their appalling lack of education?


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LSUA 75
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Member since Jan 2019
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re: Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
I see both sides of this discussion.In my life experience I have known people that are open to advice and even seek it out.On the other hand,I have known people that are insulted by the idea someone may know more than them about any given subject.
My wife’s family are a perfect example,her father,brothers and sons are all highly intelligent educated people that are insulted that anyone should offer them advice,they are all determined to learn everything the hard way.It seems to be a genetic thing,even my wife’s first reaction when I give advice is to bristle up.
I didn’t give my wife’s father or brother any advice but my stepsons were always highly resistant to advice.Their lives have been a shitshow,careening from one crisis to another.
The oldest,at 45,came to me and told me he wished he had listened to me.Now at 48 he seems to have it together but think of the years and money he wasted.
When I was young and old men gave me advice I listened,I seemed to inherently know they had my best interests in mind or they wouldn’t have wasted their breath.
One of my greatest strengths in life is that I was observant ,I saw all the ways people screwed up their lives be it women,gambling,alcohol or drugs and I avoided going down those roads.I’ve made mistakes but they have been small mistakes that I could extricate myself without much difficulty.


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