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Why do people admit someone is smarter than they are, but still refuse to listen?
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:06 am
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:06 am
Not political. I'm talking about the nerd. The "Sheldon"(Big Bang Theory), Ken or James (Jeopardy), the guy at the office everyone goes to for "technical support" or advice on how to do something in an emergency..but never seem to want to consult or ask in advance how they should approach an issue, or even to lead them?
Seems most always want to be combative and only go to this person as a last resort. For whatever reason, while they acknowledge that the person is a faster thinker, more creative, and tends to know exactly what needs and should be done... they seem hell bent on trying it on their own as a collective group, only to begrudgingly calling for help just to get them over their mental hump, only for them to say "okay, okay...we got it from here.." when everyone knows the Peter Principal is alive an well.
Is there someone at work who you will, on the inside, admit to yourself that they are mentally superior to you and you will you use to help you, but you will not respect as being better than you?
Seems most always want to be combative and only go to this person as a last resort. For whatever reason, while they acknowledge that the person is a faster thinker, more creative, and tends to know exactly what needs and should be done... they seem hell bent on trying it on their own as a collective group, only to begrudgingly calling for help just to get them over their mental hump, only for them to say "okay, okay...we got it from here.." when everyone knows the Peter Principal is alive an well.
Is there someone at work who you will, on the inside, admit to yourself that they are mentally superior to you and you will you use to help you, but you will not respect as being better than you?
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:09 am to Kujo
Most adults try to figure things out for themselves or at least they should. Operative word being adult.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:20 am to Kujo
I will say the most technically astute people are not the best people to consult on emotional or personal matters. The people I admire for their people skills really have no technical ability. Both are smarter than me but seem unhappy.
This post was edited on 10/17/20 at 12:23 am
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:23 am to Kujo
Because just because someone may be “smarter” than someone, doesn’t always mean they know more.
And it’s a fool that thinks himself a wise man because he’s got a degree on the wall.
From experience, you don’t want the technical guy leading men. Leading is a field all it’s own.
And it’s a fool that thinks himself a wise man because he’s got a degree on the wall.
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but never seem to want to consult or ask in advance how they should approach an issue, or even to lead them?
From experience, you don’t want the technical guy leading men. Leading is a field all it’s own.
This post was edited on 10/17/20 at 12:26 am
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:24 am to Kujo
Lemme guess, you're the smart one in this scenario?
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:28 am to fr33manator
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because he’s got a degree on the wall
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:29 am to Kujo
Most of the time, such person speaks Hindi
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:38 am to Kujo
quote:You watch that shite? Dude
Sheldon"(Big Bang Theory
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:40 am to Kujo
To answer your question there are lots of different kinds of smart.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:49 am to Kujo
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Is there someone at work who you will, on the inside, admit to yourself that they are mentally superior to you and you will you use to help you, but you will not respect as being better than you?
You must be young, so I’m gonna give you some real talk advice.
You aren’t better than anybody. You are just one more turd floating in a sea of shite. So get that out your head.
You might be better at something than someone else. God I hope so. But being better at something doesn’t make you better than someone, especially not at a professional level.
You obviously have no inkling the moving parts that make a company. It ain’t all eggheads. When I was in the plants I dealt with this all the time, at all levels. Engineers thinking they were so smart and knew it all. Designing multi-million dollar pieces of equipment without including the operators or maintenance in anything.
Then when they put it all together, the shite didn’t work. And the operators knew why it didn’t, because shite doesn’t always work the way it does on paper.
Plans don’t survive the first round of battle because as smart as you think you are, there are umpteen intangible variables you didn’t think of. There are layers upon layers.
So the sooner you learn to drop your arrogance, the better. It won’t get you anywhere
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:50 am to Kujo
Why do people quick to bring up an exception when you make a general statement?
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:58 am to fr33manator
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thinks himself a wise man because he’s got a degree on the wall.
Degrees are brand names. I have a Louis Vitton hand bag with a Yale diploma, as a recruiter once told me, college is not about education, it's more about the connections you make. (proof enough for me college is a joke)
I'm talking about $50 community college advanced excel certification that with simple access to your company data can write a simple algorithm that red flags 50,000+ transactions, uncovers 30 years of missed infractions ($8+ Million in fines), uncovers 3 people that are sent to "early retirement" in the first 6 months of employment....but not invited to the round table discussion on how to develop systems to catch what was caught.
Just get out of the way.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 1:02 am to PeteRose
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Why do people quick to bring up an exception when you make a general statement?
I usually preface my calls with, before we go over all the cons and why something won't work.... let's first discuss the ways that a solution could work and what hurdles would need to be overcome to make it work. Then we can attack all the shortfalls.
Sub-120 IQs forget all their knee jerk "what ifs" 5 mins into the call
Posted on 10/17/20 at 1:06 am to Kujo
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I'm talking about $50 community college advanced excel certification that with simple access to your company data can write a simple algorithm that red flags 50,000+ transactions, uncovers 30 years of missed infractions ($8+ Million in fines), uncovers 3 people that are sent to "early retirement" in the first 6 months of employment....but not invited to the round table discussion on how to develop systems to catch what was caught.
Ahhhh, okay now I’m starting to get you.
And what you just told me is EXACTLY why you aren’t at the round table.
You are basically the compliance department in an athletic program.
Yeah you sure did pop those players with the random drug screen. Kudos. You just cost the team a game too.
Like I said, you have no clue about the moving parts.
Not saying what you are doing is wrong at all. But it might not be right for what the higher ups want. You sending all Kinds of red flags and fines means Headaches and paperwork and screwing up some other peoples gravy deals, and you aren’t sure why they don’t want you in the big papa chair?
You might be smart, but boy you are talking dumb right now.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 1:11 am to Kujo
Classic Nick Burns material here
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MOOOOOOVE!!
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MOOOOOOVE!!
Posted on 10/17/20 at 1:15 am to fr33manator
Bell curve, the average dominate.
This post was edited on 10/17/20 at 1:19 am
Posted on 10/17/20 at 1:20 am to Kujo
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They've respected by promoting me twice and 50k in raises, but they won't listen
That’s to shut you up. Don’t you get that you are rocking the boat for the wrong people?
You are lacking in several areas of intelligence. People skills and big picture stuff being one of them
This post was edited on 10/17/20 at 1:25 am
Posted on 10/17/20 at 1:23 am to Kujo
I see what you are saying but I hate tech support that should know more about their product and then ask these series of questions I already went through that just wastes time.
I do tell them I'm calling you because I already tried this. Yet we go through the same shite just for them at the end to say, okay we will escalate this and get back to you.
No shite huh? I escalated it by calling you.
I do tell them I'm calling you because I already tried this. Yet we go through the same shite just for them at the end to say, okay we will escalate this and get back to you.
No shite huh? I escalated it by calling you.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 1:32 am to fr33manator
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From experience, you don’t want the technical guy leading men. Leading is a field all it’s own.
Exactly, I know I'm smarter than most in the room at times other than my boss, that dude just knows shite so I shut up and listen, but everyone else? Nah.
But I could never lead these people because I don't have the patience or temperament to deal with them.
No I don't give a frick about what your kid did, can you please just do this and shut the frick up is what my answer would be.
Which isn't a good leader in today's world.
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