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re: Why did Moses write Gen 6:1-6
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:00 pm to SallysHuman
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:00 pm to SallysHuman
Well he sure hasn’t limited sin. May as well have let us live longer.
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Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:04 pm to biglego
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I think it is a Jewish thing. Jewish people don’t write out the full word.
Ancient Hebrew didn’t have vowels
Correct, but the main reason is a tablet will eventually be broken and paper will eventually go in the trash, and you don't want His name on something that gets discarded.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:04 pm to Charter Embers
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Angels have free will. See Satan and his 1/3rd of them.
That doesn't prove what you think it does.
They will never be forgiven for their betrayal. Therefore they don't have free will.
We are allowed to turn our back on God, even deny his existence, and he will still grant us forgiveness.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:13 pm to SallysHuman
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To limit sin.
Irony I have a difficult time reconciling:
If man had such propensity to sin, why did God’s plan rely on same man to share His word with the world, with such significance (to write the words of the Bible, spread His word around the Earth, translate into many languages, preach, teach, and defend the gospel?).
My conclusion: perfect outcomes were never the goal. God’s word is not for the entire world. 70% non Christian population on Earth was His plan.
Man = sin.
God’s plan to spread word using same man.
Ironic at very least. Faulty at best. God has no faults. Therefore, His planned outcome of 30% only must be.
This post was edited on 4/15/26 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:22 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Do you believe in a supernatural presence?
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:26 pm to magildachunks
We cant sin. Thats the caveat,
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:28 pm to VolunGator
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There's never been a credible case of any human living to 121 years or longer.
Ms. Calment would like a word
With that said, there is a very interesting hard cap for humans at around 120. Our telomeres shorten over time, and 120 years is roughly the amount of time it takes for them to shorten to the point that they can no longer properly replicate.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:30 pm to magildachunks
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They got immortality, we got Free Will.
We also have an immortal existence although not in our bodies but in a spiritual form.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:33 pm to Dixie2023
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Well he sure hasn’t limited sin. May as well have let us live longer.
120yrs of sin is less sin than say.. the 969yrs afforded to the longest lived human of the Bible, or the 930yrs of Adam.
Then again... Noah made it til 950yrs and one of his sons hit 600.
Another poster had a better idea than mine concerning time from pronouncement til flood.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:35 pm to gmac8604
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We cant sin. Thats the caveat,
We absolutely can sin. But unlike angels, he will forgive us our sins.
Therefore we have free will and Angels don't.
The ability to sin isn't what defines Free Will. The ability to be forgiven is what defines it.
God grants man the freedom to disobey his commandments, but he doesn't grant that freedom to Angels.
ETA: For Example- he has commanded men to do horrible acts as a test of their faith and loyalty, and they ended up disobeying him, this "passing" his test and not receiving retribution for the disobedience.
Angels aren't allowed to disobey his commands without eternal retribution.
This post was edited on 4/15/26 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:55 pm to Allthatfades
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It’s about the nephilim and the fallen angels.
This is the most likely explanation.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 10:28 pm to magildachunks
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They will never be forgiven for their betrayal. Therefore they don't have free will
Free will is not contingent on forgiveness. Forgiveness is an application of free will. For example, I forgive you for forgetting about Satan and a 1/3rd of the angels betraying God. But if I didn’t, wait, that doesn’t work unless you chose to forget.
This post was edited on 4/15/26 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 4/15/26 at 10:31 pm to SallysHuman
And don’t know if I’d want to live that long, truthfully. Maybe a bit longer than 100 if we could be healthy and not basically bedridden at al that age. Most of us are lucky if we see 90 in good health.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 10:49 pm to SallysHuman
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120yrs of sin is less sin than say.. the 969yrs afforded to the longest lived human of the Bible, or the 930yrs of Adam.
Would’ve made more sense to put a cap on population then. There is certainly a bunch more sin now that there are 8 billion of us frickwits.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 11:33 pm to Charter Embers
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Free will is not contingent on forgiveness. Forgiveness is an application of free will. For example, I forgive you for forgetting about Satan and a 1/3rd of the angels betraying God. But if I didn’t, wait, that doesn’t work unless you chose to forget.
Here's where you are confused: you think Free Will means that you can make a choice.
Free Will means you are allowed to make a choice.
While Angels can make a choice to refuse God's commands or turn on him, they aren't allowed to. They will never be forgiven for that choice.
Man is allowed to do so and be granted forgiveness.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 11:54 pm to magildachunks
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While Angels can make a choice to refuse God's commands or turn on him, they aren't allowed to
If they weren’t allowed to then it wouldn’t have happened.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:46 am to gmac8604
Have you read Supernatural or Unseen Realm by Michael Heiser?
Posted on 4/16/26 at 3:03 am to Charter Embers
It was a one time deal. Angels have infused knowledge. So their choice to rebel was eternal. They knew what they were getting into, so they are incapable of repentance. Nor would they if they had the chance.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 6:15 am to FutureMikeVIII
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Would’ve made more sense
you think its makes more sense to do anything different that what The Most High God who created everything out of nothing chose to do in His providential glory? Just jokes. Im sure you were kidding
The 120 yrs I take literal. The weird thing is the Nephalim wouldve drowned in the flood but then they show up later in the Bible so I dunno. I rest in it all
Posted on 4/16/26 at 6:40 am to rattlebucket
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you think its makes more sense to do anything different that what The Most High God who created everything out of nothing chose to do in His providential glory?
It was a hypothetical, un-wad your panties. But yes, if god limited life span to limit sin, then he’s dumb as a box of rocks.
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