re: Why can't free market determine things anymore?

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What... the... frick...

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Let me help for those that have trouble thinking in context. ADA and Civil Rights laws are great attempts to make things "fair" and "right" and "moral". And as OP said, the Government should be obligated to follow such standards. But have these laws ended racism? Have they forced people to treat disabled people more fairly? Not in anyway that can be proven. There is no evidence that shows our society wouldn't have trended to the same levels of tolerance that exist now without the laws. The reason that tolerance is more common than hate now, regardless of the headlines, is because of societal changes; a better since of empathy has come over the general population. People didn't stop being racist because a law was passed. These types of laws are feel good measures that we have been taught to trumpet as savioristic changes. While they may be a great reflection of our current society's moral structure, and I do believe that those that fought for them were heroes, the laws themselves have not changed anyone's moral code or sense of fair treatment for those not like themselves. Their primary results have been BILLIONS of dollars made by shitty attorneys.

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Let me help for those that have trouble thinking in context. ADA and Civil Rights laws are great attempts to make things "fair" and "right" and "moral". And as OP said, the Government should be obligated to follow such standards. But have these laws ended racism? Have they forced people to treat disabled people more fairly? Not in anyway that can be proven. There is no evidence that shows our society wouldn't have trended to the same levels of tolerance that exist now without the laws. The reason that tolerance is more common than hate now, regardless of the headlines, is because of societal changes; a better since of empathy has come over the general population. People didn't stop being racist because a law was passed. These types of laws are feel good measures that we have been taught to trumpet as savioristic changes. While they may be a great reflection of our current society's moral structure, and I do believe that those that fought for them were heroes, the laws themselves have not changed anyone's moral code or sense of fair treatment for those not like themselves. Their primary results have been BILLIONS of dollars made by shitty attorneys.

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And this was all done by self-righteous Christians? You're nearing full-retard.

Nobody is forcing you to open a business. If you operate within an incorporated area, the citizens of that area have elected officials to govern on their behalf and you need to follow the regulations those representatives have enacted.

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If you operate within an incorporated area, the citizens of that area have elected officials to govern on their behalf and you need to follow the regulations those representatives have enacted.

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So ADA is determined by local officials huh? I could just go to an area where local officials say it's OK to not spend money on ADA compliance?

I'll give you another try.

private businesses not catering to the handicapped have to come out of pocket for renovations but the actual crippled get grant money to renovate their house and bathrooms. makes sense

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What other recourse would a consumer enjoy in your utopia? Yelp?

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How about just not doing business with them anymore. I think he's trying to say why should lawsuits determine the fate of a business based on their practices... let people determine it by whether or not they continue to use said business.

Agreed.

And as soon as we get this handled, let's start working to dissolve HR departments immediately after.

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I'm not making any arguments about anything to do with that.

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i just hit a reply button to anyone. i didn't read anything you were typing.

haha, word