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Why aren't we trading the Russian arms dealer for Marc Fogel instead of Griner?

Posted on 7/29/22 at 8:24 pm
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182541 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 8:24 pm
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OAKMONT, Pa. - The "other American" imprisoned in Russia has a name, too.

He was always just Mr. Fogel to the students he entranced with lectures about the Cold War. But he is Marc Hilliard Fogel on his well-worn passports, abundantly stamped from his many years of teaching International Baccalaureate history courses at schools attended by the children of U.S. diplomats and the global elite in Colombia, Venezuela, Oman, Malaysia and, for the past 10 years, in Russia.


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Fogel's plight parallels a similar case that has played big on news websites, led cable newscasts and prompted White House pronouncements: the trial of WNBA basketball star Brittney Griner, who also was arrested for attempting to enter Russia with a small amount of medical marijuana. On Wednesday, Secretary of State Antony Blinken announced that the United States has made a "substantial proposal" to Russia to secure the release of Griner and another jailed American, Paul Whelan, who is serving a 16-year Russian sentence on spy charges he has denied.

Marc Fogel's wife, Jane Fogel, said in an interview after the news broke that she's still hoping her husband can be included in a swap. But those hopes are fading, she said, speaking publicly for the first time about her husband's case

"There's a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that Marc will be left behind," Jane Fogel said Wednesday after the announcement about the possible swap including Griner and Whelan. "It's terrifying. I would hope that President Biden and especially first lady Jill Biden, who is an educator, realize the importance of including Marc in addition to Brittney Griner and Paul Whelan."

In suburban Pittsburgh, Jane Fogel has been watching the Griner case spool out and wondered whether her husband has been forgotten. Griner's wife, Cherelle, received a call from the president. The Fogels have been stalled at the mid-functionary level of the U.S. State Department. Speculation about a possible prisoner swap before Blinken's announcement on Wednesday had earlier trickled into his Russian prison cell, compounding his anxiety.

"That hurt," Marc Fogel wrote in a letter home referencing the prisoner-exchange reports. "Teachers are at least as important as bballers."




Of course this guy was an idiot too and IMO they should both face the consequences of breaking laws in another country


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On Aug. 14, 2021, the Fogels landed at Sheremetyevo airport in Moscow after the long flight from New York on the Russian airline Aeroflot. When they deplaned, Jane noticed they were in a different terminal than usual with more security, a change from the lax environment they'd encountered in previous years. She stopped at the restroom and her husband went ahead to the security checkpoint.

When she caught up with him, she could tell something was wrong. His breath had quickened so much that his mask was inflating and deflating like a balloon.

"Jane," he said, "I'm really in trouble."

He'd packed 14 vape cartridges of medical marijuana into his suitcase, stuffing some in his shoes, and placed some cannabis buds in a contact lens case, his wife said. Jane said she had no idea he'd done it. But why take such a risk?

"It's pretty simple," his son Ethan said of his father's plan to bring medical marijuana into Russia. "He thought he could get away with it."






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Clearly, it must be because of his white male privilege.
This post was edited on 7/29/22 at 8:27 pm
Posted by EthicalHedonist
Member since Mar 2020
366 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 8:25 pm to
The Subway child molester guy?
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
11173 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 8:32 pm to
quote:

He'd packed 14 vape cartridges of medical marijuana into his suitcase, stuffing some in his shoes, and placed some cannabis buds in a contact lens case, his wife said

Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 8:35 pm to
Because a bunch of high school graduates and lesbians arent wearing shirts with his name on them
This post was edited on 7/29/22 at 8:36 pm
Posted by Charm299
Member since Aug 2017
787 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 8:38 pm to
Why you think?
Posted by MadDogs
Member since Jul 2018
454 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 8:46 pm to
Hard to have much sympathy on that one. That was just dumb. He grew complacent and it cost him and his family severely.
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
5878 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 8:47 pm to
The CEo of the Russian vodka lobbyist firm in Moscow Tennessee named Ivan Svedka wants the other guy.
This post was edited on 7/29/22 at 8:49 pm
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77270 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 8:51 pm to
quote:

Because a bunch of high school graduates and lesbians arent wearing shirts with his name on them
Pretty much.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
32304 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 9:11 pm to
quote:

"It's pretty simple," his son Ethan said of his father's plan to bring medical marijuana into Russia. "He thought he could get away with it."


And that's anyone committing a crime.

Sorry, it's idiotic.
Posted by Goldbondage
Member since Mar 2020
745 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 9:12 pm to
Does this move to free Griner signal that the federal government condones the use of marijuana? Because I’d be pretty mad if I got jail time for possession in the US.
Posted by theOG
Member since Feb 2010
10835 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 9:22 pm to
quote:

Does this move to free Griner signal that the federal government condones the use of marijuana? Because I’d be pretty mad if I got jail time for possession in the US.


How could it not? There are people in jail in this damn country for marijuana. Are they all being released?
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
20204 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 9:23 pm to
Reminiscent of the Bergdahl swap. dimocratix are terrible at this sort of thing.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75203 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 9:24 pm to
Let them both serve their time. Problem solved.
Posted by IMATIGERFAN
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2007
1531 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 9:25 pm to
frick both him and Mr Griner.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84759 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 9:38 pm to
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For the past 11 months, Fogel has languished in Russian detention centers following his August 2021 arrest for trying to enter the country with about half an ounce of medical marijuana he'd been prescribed in the United States for chronic pain after numerous injuries and surgeries. First he endlessly awaited trial, often in crowded, smoke-choked cells. More recently, he has been serving the first weeks of an incomprehensible 14-year sentence handed down by a Russian judge in June.


Just to provide some basic info OP left out.
Posted by Caraway Rye
Member since Oct 2021
5108 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 9:38 pm to
Druggies always make bad decisions
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 9:41 pm to
He use not be a liberal Democrat
Posted by HogBalls
Member since Nov 2014
9180 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 9:47 pm to
Both of them should serve their time but this administration will do anything to free an America hating, black, female, gay, pro athlete.

She checks all the boxes to make the stupid frickers that vote Democrat feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Posted by lsuconnman
Baton rouge
Member since Feb 2007
5193 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 10:08 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 8:18 am
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3212 posts
Posted on 7/29/22 at 11:08 pm to
Imagine a world, if you will; where you think you’re entitled enough to do whatever the frick you want in a totalitarian country that hates your arse for every fiber of your being.

I for one would never set foot in that shite hole. While I have more sympathy for Mr. Fogel, they both should have known the rules.

If I was in charge, that U.S. hating count would spend her days in a gulag and Mr. Fogel would be home with his family.
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