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re: Why are so many electronics made in Asia?
Posted on 8/9/20 at 3:49 pm to shutterspeed
Posted on 8/9/20 at 3:49 pm to shutterspeed
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"When you look at the Asians, the Asian is very gifted in creation, creativity and inventions. If you go to Japan or any Asian country, they can turn a television into a watch. They're very creative. And you look at the Indians, they have been very gifted in the spirituality." --Reggie White
How have I never heard of this. I had to google it. Amazing.
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“When you look at the black race, black people are very gifted in what we call worship and celebration. A lot of us like to dance, and if you go to black churches, you see people jumping up and down, because they really get into it. White people were blessed with the gift of structure and organization. You guys do a good job of building businesses and things of that nature and you know how to tap into money pretty much better than a lot of people do around the world. Hispanics are gifted in family structure. You can see a Hispanic person and they can put 20 or 30 people in one home. They were gifted in the family structure. When you look at the Asians, the Asian is very gifted in creation, creativity and inventions. If you go to Japan or any Asian country, they can turn a television into a watch. They’re very creative. And you look at the Indians, they have been very gifted in the spirituality.”
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Posted on 8/9/20 at 3:50 pm to Cold Drink
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We could absolutely do it here at home if we had to. The phones would probably be better too.
I didn’t say we couldn’t do it. I said they’d cost 10x the price, be harder to find, and upgrade less frequently. I don’t know how you argue we can keep the exact same price point and production ability in America. It’s just not possible. Minimum wage, age laws, and hourly maximums alone make it impossible.
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love when people believe the free market can accomplish anything.... except decent conditions for workers.
Again, I never said this.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 3:57 pm to Cold Drink
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This is the bullshite they want you to believe. We could absolutely do it here at home if we had to. The phones would probably be better too.
He was clearly exaggerating, but what point are you trying to argue? That it’s not cheaper to build stuff in other countries with less regulation? Yes, we could find a way to move electronics manufacturing to the US if we “had to.” It would require a huge amount of capital investment, operating costs would go up, and electronics would become more expensive.
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I love when people believe the free market can accomplish anything.... except decent conditions for workers.
Almost all of the factors that make domestic manufacturing less enticing - minimum wages, more stringent safety requirements, environmental regulations, taxes - are examples of government restricting the free market. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. If someone’s going to dump mercury in a lake, I’d prefer they dump it in a lake far from my back yard. The current system has worked out pretty damned well for Americans.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 4:38 pm to Cycledude
Little people.....??
Posted on 8/9/20 at 4:45 pm to wfallstiger
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minimum wages, more stringent safety requirements, environmental regulations, taxes,
also: Pensions, paid holidays, 401K's, paid vacation, etc, etc.
Asia treats their citizens / workers like crap. They work in filth and get paid zilch.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 4:48 pm to Cycledude
Reggie White said it was because Asians were closer to their work
Posted on 8/9/20 at 6:06 pm to Thundercles
quote:Watched a documentary the other day where poor Chinese and Vietnamese children from the country side have to raise themselves because some many of their parents have moved to places like Guangdong or Saigon to work in the factories.
Companies like Foxconn house their employees in dorms on site. They can run their lines 24 hours a day and scale to meet production targets at the drop of a hat.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 6:20 pm to Thundercles
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Companies like Foxconn house their employees in dorms on site.
Most manufacturers in China, regardless of type, have dorms for their employees. It's considered a perk since their wages wouldn't pay for similar accommodations off-site.
When I visit a Chinese supplier for the first time, I surprise them with a request to tour the dormitory.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 6:23 pm to Cycledude
Posted on 8/9/20 at 6:26 pm to Cycledude
Cause that is where all the electrons are mined.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 6:29 pm to lostinbr
quote:Essentially, that the costs of free trade/globalization have been minimalized/waived away (by both political parties) and we’ve hollowed our large segments of our economy all in the sake of cheap plastic junk.
He was clearly exaggerating, but what point are you trying to argue?
It’s just not true that we can’t make anything here anymore; we’ve just chosen not to do it. I’m not a Trump guy but this is one of the things he’s right about IMO.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:38 pm to Cold Drink
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It’s just not true that we can’t make anything here anymore; we’ve just chosen not to do it.
Nobody with a brain thinks we can’t make anything here. It’s just that it costs more. For companies to manufacture everything domestically, one of two things has to happen. Either a) products get more expensive or b) wages drop.
Why are either of these things necessarily good for America? I can understand one-off arguments about national security as it relates to specific supply chains. But as a wholesale concept?
Would we be better off if Apple sourced all iPhone components in the US? Sure, that would mean more demand for American labor. But it would also make Apple, an American company, less competitive globally because they are paying more for labor to compete with jobs that Americans already have.
That’s the remarkable thing about the manufacturing argument. You can make more flipping burgers for minimum wage in the US than you can assembling iPhones in a factory overseas, and we act like we are the ones getting screwed.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:56 pm to Cycledude
The Chinese at least, can manufacture anything you want. You can walk into nearly any factory in Guangzhou or Shenzhen with some plans or just describe something and they can build it. Those dudes are smart and they really just have so many skilled manufacturers and engineers.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:58 pm to Cycledude
Because multi-billion dollar factories cost way less than multi-billions of dollars to build
Don't ever have to have a single employee work in the facility to save money
Don't ever have to have a single employee work in the facility to save money
Posted on 8/10/20 at 10:02 am to Hennigan
Jimmy the Greek would have agreed if he hadn’t been canceled.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 10:49 am to Breesus
quote:All of this. People already think their iPhone is too expensive, and while they say they want decent wages for workers, they don't want to pay for it in price increases for products.
I didn’t say we couldn’t do it. I said they’d cost 10x the price, be harder to find, and upgrade less frequently. I don’t know how you argue we can keep the exact same price point and production ability in America. It’s just not possible. Minimum wage, age laws, and hourly maximums alone make it impossible.
Cheap labor and reduced regulations are the primary motivators for manufacturing in China.
For example, China built a hospital in 10 days. LINK Imagine the time and cost it would take to do that in the US... It takes several months just for permitting.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 11:38 am to Cycledude
[img] made in Asia? by Cycledude
I know labor is cheaper there, but I would think electronics are not hand made. Robotics puts them together.[/img]
People are willing to do the work they agree to for the pay that they agree upon. Once a job is engaged it is fulfilled on schedule. American labor is not as reliable.
I know labor is cheaper there, but I would think electronics are not hand made. Robotics puts them together.[/img]
People are willing to do the work they agree to for the pay that they agree upon. Once a job is engaged it is fulfilled on schedule. American labor is not as reliable.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 11:54 am to Cycledude
small fingers required for assembly. Asia makes good hand noted rugs also
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