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Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:04 pm to CAD703X
Holes in the drain pipe go on the bottom.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:42 pm to CAD703X
quote:yes I did but I hand dug the trench around the patio slab 12-18in wide. A trencher is only going to give you a crude 6in trench. Plus a trencher in soggy LA soil doesn't want to work too well.
finally a decent answer.
what was so hard about it? did you rent a trenching tool?
Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:46 pm to ThatMakesSense
Any UG drain pipe needs to be 6" for that reason. It carries twice the water of a 4 inch pipe and is less likely to silt up.
Go 6"
The labor and excavation is the same, materials slightly more.
Go 6"
The labor and excavation is the same, materials slightly more.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:49 pm to CAD703X
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through rock
This is the answer
Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:55 pm to CAD703X
Dig them yourself and find out!
Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:56 pm to CAD703X
What is the purpose of this drain? A French drain is made to allow groundwater to permeate into a pipe and flow out. They are designed for areas that become easily saturated and help reduce soggy ground.
An area drain uses solid pipes and allows water to catch in an inlet, and then flow out through a pipe. The inlet should be at a local low point in the yard. These are designed to prevent ponding on the surface of your yard.
If you have flooding, and your yard is sloped, just create a swale to allow surface water to flow downhill. A swale won't clog like a closed system will, and you don't have to keep the grate inlet clear of leaves and it her debris. It also isn't limited in capacity the same way a pipe is.
The biggest mistake you can make when installing an underground drain is to connect your gutter downspout into the same pipe as your yard drain. When it rains, all of that water will make the pipe reach capacity almost immediately, and not allow the yard to drain into it at a useful rate. If you do want to put your downspout underground to flow out to the curb, run it in a separate parallel pipe. The labor will be the same because you already dug the trench, and pipe isn't that expensive relative to the cost of the project.
An area drain uses solid pipes and allows water to catch in an inlet, and then flow out through a pipe. The inlet should be at a local low point in the yard. These are designed to prevent ponding on the surface of your yard.
If you have flooding, and your yard is sloped, just create a swale to allow surface water to flow downhill. A swale won't clog like a closed system will, and you don't have to keep the grate inlet clear of leaves and it her debris. It also isn't limited in capacity the same way a pipe is.
The biggest mistake you can make when installing an underground drain is to connect your gutter downspout into the same pipe as your yard drain. When it rains, all of that water will make the pipe reach capacity almost immediately, and not allow the yard to drain into it at a useful rate. If you do want to put your downspout underground to flow out to the curb, run it in a separate parallel pipe. The labor will be the same because you already dug the trench, and pipe isn't that expensive relative to the cost of the project.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 7:50 pm to Mr Fusion
Not if sized correctly.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:21 pm to CAD703X
LINK
Good video of a guy putting in 300 ft of French drain from start to finish. He spent almost 1K in materials. After watching the video I would pay 5K in a fricking heartbeat to have someone else do it. Guy dug everything with a shovel.
Good video of a guy putting in 300 ft of French drain from start to finish. He spent almost 1K in materials. After watching the video I would pay 5K in a fricking heartbeat to have someone else do it. Guy dug everything with a shovel.
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Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:24 pm to CAD703X
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kinda the point of this thread, chef.
Great googly moogly
Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:29 pm to CAD703X
The country is suddenly “rich” again so people who do this type of work think there is an endless demand for their “services” right now. This will change. It would be one thing if you paid a premium and actually got a premium install. But in reality you pay a premium to people who can’t slap that stuff down fast enough before it’s brewski time.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:30 pm to CAD703X
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both guys who quoted me wouldn't provide a breakdown.
Nor should they.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:59 pm to Koach K
quote:
The country is suddenly “rich” again so people who do this type of work think there is an endless demand for their “services” right now. This will change. It would be one thing if you paid a premium and actually got a premium install. But in reality you pay a premium to people who can’t slap that stuff down fast enough before it’s brewski time.
I’m guessing you’ve never run a trencher. It won’t go through rock or even big roots. If he has rock that is a lot of time on the back of a shovel.
A rock channel will only move immediate water close by. A French dean will remove from several feet on each side and if the area stays wet this is what is needed. And the fabric works fine. I have 100 feet in my backyard that is 15 years old with no problem.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:03 pm to CAD703X
Plenty of labor outside of most Home Depot’s.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:15 pm to CAD703X
Me thinks you got those high bids because the professionals knew digging in those rocks could be a nightmare. Bid high and hope you don't get it but if you do then oh well.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:16 pm to CAD703X
Home Depot has the pipe that doesn't need gravel. You just backfill on top of it. It's a little more costly but alot less labor.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:27 pm to CAD703X
Have you ever built one? Do you have any idea how hard it is?
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:45 pm to CAD703X
Installed two drains running into a main drain which has a sump pump, which flows through pvc pipe like no tomorrow 500 ft no problem into storm drain
Posted on 4/4/18 at 11:00 am to CAD703X
My guess is that the contractor is padding just a "little". PVC pipe is ridiculously cheap and the lining you can get for 30.00 at Home Depot. He's probably charging you 3X the rental on the trench tool and really getting you on the labor.
I did the same thing myself on my own about 15 years ago and I forget the price, but I would say from a materials point it was maybe 500-750.00 total, pipe, liner, trench rental and gravel. The work can be backbreaking even with the use of the trench tool and drilling the holes in the PVC is just a pain in the arse
I did the same thing myself on my own about 15 years ago and I forget the price, but I would say from a materials point it was maybe 500-750.00 total, pipe, liner, trench rental and gravel. The work can be backbreaking even with the use of the trench tool and drilling the holes in the PVC is just a pain in the arse
Posted on 4/4/18 at 11:22 am to CAD703X
Believe it or not... but contractors have to make money on their time and crews cost...
So if it cost him 3k in material labor and equipment... I wouldnt be blown away if he charged 5k. The work has to be worth his time.
In this scenario, you should just do it yourself. Unless your time is worth more than what you could pay someone else to do it.
So if it cost him 3k in material labor and equipment... I wouldnt be blown away if he charged 5k. The work has to be worth his time.
In this scenario, you should just do it yourself. Unless your time is worth more than what you could pay someone else to do it.
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