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re: Why are drugs and prostitution illegal?

Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:23 am to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:23 am to
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again why add to the list of problems?


would the average person all of a sudden start using meth if it was legalized?

I don't think so
Posted by REB BEER
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:24 am to
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Drug dealers don't pay the taxes on the money they receive Pimps dont pay the taxes on the money they receive


That's why we should abolish all income and property tax and pay a higher sales tax. That way, everyone is taxed at the same rate and pay taxes no matter if they earn their money legally or illegally.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:25 am to
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You just compare heroin to cigarettes?


from your description of "extremely addicting and no social benefits"...yeah
Posted by stout
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:26 am to
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would the average person all of a sudden start using meth if it was legalized?

I don't think so



I think there would be an increase in certain drug use. Maybe cocaine more than trashy meth. I read that more people in Colorado have smoked weed than previously simply because it's now legal.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:26 am to
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Are you asking why things like Heroin are illegal?

Hmmm maybe because its extremely addicting

i don't think heroin is THAT addictive to your average person, but with the new data coming out about addiction and its link to socialization, the illegality likely plays an issue. legitimacy and social pressure could theoretically decrease the amount of addicts we face.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:27 am to
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It's a parents job to teach them better and its a persons job to have responsibility and choose the right path.

It's not the governments job to tell you what path to choose.

As a society, we also have the responsibility to determine which laws best govern and protect our people. Especially young people that might be susceptible to coercive tactics used by amoral people looking to exploit others. Legalizing prostitution would put a huge target on 18 year old girls who might not have the proper support from family and loved ones; laws against prostitution help to protect these kinds of people.

But I guess it is an inconvenience for you...so sorry.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:28 am to
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You should look at the data more objectively, because studies show that legalization of prostitution increases the sex slave market.

i'd like to see the data...namely teh source of the data

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. There are a large number of prostitutes in Amsterdam that are forced to do so by pimps.

that's not slavery. the people opposed to prostitution have expanded "slavery" like SJWs expanded "rape" recently

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And those kinds of studies can't even begin to capture the number of women that go into prostitution from coercion;

what kind of coercion?

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And don't forget about how youth can play a negative role: many women make the choice to go into prostitution at a young age, at time in life that is well known for making bad life decisions.

that's not my fault
Posted by stout
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:28 am to
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ncrease the punishments on crimes committed while under the influence



You just explained the war on drugs which has worked really well so far.

This is the same argument gun control people have like criminals are going to be curbed by harsher punishment or something. It simply doesn't work and works even less if you're in a mind-altered state.

How many people know better than to drink and drive yet do it anyway because they are drunk and not thinking clearly?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:29 am to
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You just compare heroin to cigarettes?

cigs are more addictive than heroin and assuredly kill more people each year
Posted by barry
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:29 am to
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from your description of "extremely addicting and no social benefits"...yeah



People can use cigarettes and function in society. You can't do that with heroin.


Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:29 am to
everyone agrees that the "War on Drugs" is a massive failure, right?

but if anyone tries to come up with other options, people freak out

I doubt full on legalization will ever happen in our lifetime, but decriminalization and/or relaxed regulation might happen and it has been proven to work in places like Portugal

why not try something else when the system we have is a complete and utter failure?
Posted by jrodslu
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:29 am to
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You just explained the war on drugs which has worked really well so far.


I sure hope that is a joke.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:31 am to
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i don't think heroin is THAT addictive to your average person


Dude, have you ever seen an heroin addict in a sober tank?

They vomit, sweat, shite, and look like they are on their death bed. It's very addicting physically. There is a mental aspect as I have always thought some addicts are weak minded but you can't ignore the physical addiction.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:31 am to
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laws against prostitution help to protect these kinds of people.

so these people should not be allowed to enter into contracts, find employment, etc because they're socially/mentally deficient?

Posted by Henry Jones Jr
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:31 am to
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1st of all, the government shouldnt be involved in my personal health.

Yeah. They should have just let smallpox continue instead of wiping it out.

I get the feeling all the upvotes are coming from potheads
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 9:38 am
Posted by barry
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:31 am to
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cigs are more addictive than heroin and assuredly kill more people each year



Yea and cars kill more people that heroin, but thats a function of how many people use cars.

Have you heard of anyone destroying their families, losing their jobs, sucking dick for cigarettes?

Nope.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:32 am to
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That's why we should abolish all income and property tax and pay a higher sales tax


This!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:33 am to
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Dude, have you ever seen an heroin addict in a sober tank?

those are outliers...major, major outliers. i think it's something like 95% of people who have used heroin don't get addicted. it's really high

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There is a mental aspect as I have always thought some addicts are weak minded but you can't ignore the physical addiction.

this is how people get addicted, which may develop into physical addiction (which is largely based in habit). THAT initial addiction is now largely considered to be created by the social scenarios involved. some scientists argue the allure of illegal activity plays a large role in that socialization.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:34 am to
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everyone agrees that the "War on Drugs" is a massive failure, right?




100% agreed. There really should be a different approach but I don't think legalization is it. Not sure what they answer is though.

I just think it's naive to act like drugs and legalizing them would be victimless and it's simply an argument of personal freedom.

You are welcome to all the personal freedom you want as far as I am concerned until you use your freedom to infringe on others and that's exactly what drug addicts do.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:34 am to
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i think it's something like 95% of people who have used heroin don't get addicted. it's really high


and I have always heard its one of the few drugs that first time users can get addicted to
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