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re: Why are Arrests made public if people are Innocent Until Proven Guilty ?
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:24 pm to lepdagod
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:24 pm to lepdagod
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How could it be hidden???... the alternative is a secret arrest... it's made public because it's the public business... should trail or the verdict be a secret???
I think the biggest issue in the equation is the media's piss poor coverage with cases that get thrown out. They're all too willing to create the buzz and plaster someone's picture all over the news, but there is barely a peep out of them when allegations are proven unfounded. Of course, it is no surprise that the media is just shitty.
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Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:30 pm to athenslife101
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Hey, that girl I’m going on a date with was arrested last year for public intoxication. No thanks.”
Sounds more like a "yes please" to me.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:32 pm to Joe Dimaggio
Makes about as much sense as asking your race on applications in a "race equal" country. They want to keep people in turmoil.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:35 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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I agree with you. A angry child can accuse a adult of molestation and the adult gets arrested. Its plastered all over the News, internet, social media etc. days later it can discovered that it was all BS and they are released. If that is even released it is buried on page 10 of the paper or not covered at all. That person will forever be tainted because a seed has been planted in ppl's heads.
A while back a woman called police to report an attempted child abduction.
The police arrested a guy at his business for the alleged attempted abduction based on vehicle description etc.
It was all over the news and the guy was getting death threats.
After the guys Attorney reviews Police Reports etc,. he discovers that the vehicle description didn't even match, the license plate didn't match, and Company records showed that the guy was at work on the date/time of the alleged abduction.
Charges were then dropped of course.
The same news station that ran the report of his arrest etc, then refused to run a report that charges were dropped.
The guy ended up filing a lawsuit against the news station & the station then agreed to report that the charges were dropped and why.
Bad man trying to abduct kids sells !
Cops being morons and arresting the wrong guy doesn't sell.
The public doesn't want to hear about that.
This post was edited on 7/6/24 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:42 pm to Joe Dimaggio
I share the same name of a guy in my area that has been arrested several times, a couple those with serious charges. And, It never fails when his name is released in the media, someone (friends) calls and if it was me and do I need a good lawyer 
This post was edited on 7/6/24 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:47 pm to MoarKilometers
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You are only presumed innocent
Thank you. Most of the time the key word in the phrase is omitted (presumed), as is the case with the OP.
That word completely changes the meaning of the statement.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:50 pm to athenslife101
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Hey, that girl I’m going on a date with was arrested last year for public intoxication. No thanks.”
You must not like hawk tuah.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:53 pm to MikeBRLA
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Thank you. Most of the time the key word in the phrase is omitted (presumed), as is the case with the OP.
That word completely changes the meaning of the statement.
It's less difficult to feign outrage if you start with a faulty premise. People constantly do it with the 1a.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:55 pm to TBoy
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Generally, all actions of the state should be transparent. If the state can do secret arrests and secret prosecutions, then there is no check on state power, because no one knows what's going on. It is never a good look to be arrested or charged, but the alternative (secret arrests and prosecutions) is much worse.
Good point but I respectfully disagree.
This problem could easily be solved by allowing the accused to have the option of disclosing his/her arrest to the public or not. That would be a better alternative than either automatically announcing it to the public or keeping everything a secret.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:55 pm to MoarKilometers
I can't believe how many people don't understand that an Arrest isn't a Charge.
Cops don't charge, Cops arrest.
DA's decide if the person will be charged.
An arrest is nothing more than a Cop making an accusation, or thinking that he has probable cause that you've committed a crime.
Cops aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer and most don't even understand the law.
People think that Cops are frigging Lawyers,
You would be shocked at how little time is spent in "Cop School" regarding the Law.
Cops don't charge, Cops arrest.
DA's decide if the person will be charged.
An arrest is nothing more than a Cop making an accusation, or thinking that he has probable cause that you've committed a crime.
Cops aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer and most don't even understand the law.
People think that Cops are frigging Lawyers,
You would be shocked at how little time is spent in "Cop School" regarding the Law.
This post was edited on 7/6/24 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:58 pm to Joe Dimaggio
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I can't believe how many people don't understand that an Arrest isn't a Charge.
Cops don't charge, Cops arrest.
DA's decide if the person will be charged.
I can't believe you saw the word charge in my reply
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:59 pm to LegendInMyMind
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I think the biggest issue in the equation is the media's piss poor coverage with cases that get thrown out. They're all too willing to create the buzz and plaster someone's picture all over the news, but there is barely a peep out of them when allegations are proven unfounded. Of course, it is no surprise that the media is just shitty.
I think this is the problem to solve for. No idea how, but there should be an obligation for someone (media or authorities) to publicize dropped charges, not-guilty verdicts and exonerations. The transparency needs to work on both ends of the criminal justice process.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:59 pm to Joe Dimaggio
You don't want to live in a country where the government can just secretly make people disappear.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 1:00 pm to Joe Dimaggio
Sorry some folks are less familiar with the criminal justice system baw
Posted on 7/6/24 at 1:03 pm to cbree88
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This problem could easily be solved by allowing the accused to have the option of disclosing his/her arrest to the public or not. That would be a better alternative than either automatically announcing it to the public or keeping everything a secret.
The problem is the state could start coercing people into waiving their right to publicize their arrests. It can’t be up to the “potential victim of the state” (for lack of a better phrase) to keep the state in check.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 1:06 pm to cbree88
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This problem could easily be solved by allowing the accused to have the option of disclosing his/her arrest to the public or not.
What's the point of this when trials are public?
Also, who would ever say yes, please make my arrest public if the option is there to hide it?
Posted on 7/6/24 at 1:07 pm to athenslife101
The public you speak of is a mindless mob who gets their education from TikTok and genuinely enjoys other people’s downfall. Our society is shite and Americans have no time to worry about that little detail of the “story” being false. Damage is done. Now, on to the next scandal. Rinse and repeat.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 1:10 pm to Joe Dimaggio
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Why are Arrests made public if people are Innocent Until Proven Guilty ?
Why do you park on a driveway but drive on a parkway?
Posted on 7/6/24 at 1:17 pm to Joe Dimaggio
Society was once of the opinion that citizens are innocent until proven guilty. Then it shifted to presumed guilty until proven innocent. Now, society has shifted to presumed guilty even if proven innocent. Proliferation of social media accelerated this process.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 1:18 pm to athenslife101
quote:Well then plaster it across the front page once they're sentenced.
It’s in the public interest to know this stuff. That should be obvious.
“Hey, that girl I’m going on a date with was arrested last year for public intoxication. No thanks.”
“Oh, this guy I’m going into a business deal with was arrested for fraud. Sounds like I need to find someone else.”
You completely missed the point:
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if people are Innocent Until Proven Guilty
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