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re: When did society decide children in public were a nuisance?
Posted on 2/19/26 at 10:55 pm to Ingeniero
Posted on 2/19/26 at 10:55 pm to Ingeniero
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Planes, church, restaurants...those are places where adults will be quiet but kids don't always know the difference. As long as your kid isn't being over the top and you're doing your best to manage it, frick whoever has a problem with it
I was terrified to fly with my 1 year old. But to my surprise, most of the passengers around me were talking to her, smiling, and complimenting me. If she started whining they didn’t look annoyed. I think most people have been there. If you get annoyed, then you’re just a childless a-hole who will leave nothing behind.
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Posted on 2/20/26 at 12:59 am to jcaz
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1 year old
To be fair this isn’t really the same game. People understand babies.
I’m sure you are a great parent but give it a few years.
Also, girls and boys are different. My first was a girl. Sweet. Polite. Amazing. I hear emotional trauma will be bestowed upon me in the future.
Then came the boy. Then the other boy.
They aren’t bad. They are just built different.
My daughter was four and we are sitting at dinner and she uses her napkin and looks at me and says “so…how’s your mama?”
Boys will destroy something to see if they can. Ask them why they did something and they will stare at you and innocently say “I don’t know Dad. I had to.”
And they mean it. It’s real. You can’t just whip that arse either. It doesn’t work. Because they are tiny men. You have to explain to them why not and convince them not to do it so that they understand.
Endless energy. With zero direction. Like a balloon with the knot untied. All the time. Until they crash. It’s hard to get them aimed at something but it’s super satisfying when you do.
Social settings can be hard early
You learn to read them as people though and take them outside to walk around the parking lot or look at rocks or whatever. Basically give them a break.
They are just different.
Two halves of a whole.
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 1:04 am
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:11 am to rintintin
Everyone has been conditioned to only care for themselves. This makes us much easier to control. You no longer care for your fellow man.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:25 am to tigerinthebueche
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The problem isn’t “kids being kids”. It’s that their lazy, trashy parents instill zero discipline in them and make excuses like
^^^^Freaking this^^^^
Couldn’t agree more. If I acted up in public as a child, I got spanked. And guess what, I usually was well behaved in public as a child because I knew what the consequences would be if I wasn’t. The problem isn’t the kids, it’s the parents who refuse to discipline them.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 5:10 am to Tiger1242
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I feel like kids being kids in public places used to be more accepted. Now kids in public are expected to be quiet, not move around, and not disturb anyone. Obviously, I’m not talking about out of control kids, that’s different. Talking about kids playing outside at a restaurant, kids being noisy in a hotel or public transportation, things like that. I think the expectation for people‘s kids to not disturb. Anyone is one of the reasons why so many parents shove screens in their faces anytime they are in public. So what if a four year-old is being noisy in a restaurant, a four-year-old shouldn’t be able to sit quietly at a table for an hour, why do we expect that now?
I thought it was just the opposite. As a Gen Xer we were expected to walk the straight line in public, act like we had some sense, and shut the hell up, or risk an arse whipping of epic proportions. I raised my kids, now 28 and 24, the same way. I remember my son tried to act like a jackass at a restaurant one time. We left , and I beat his arse. Never happened again.I don't see that nowadays.
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 5:11 am
Posted on 2/20/26 at 5:30 am to Tiger1242
quote:Why do I get the feeling you’re trying to skimp out of paying a babysitter to watch your kid while going out to dinner?
So what if a four year-old is being noisy in a restaurant, a four-year-old shouldn’t be able to sit quietly at a table for an hour, why do we expect that now?
When my kids were younger, and the establishment was for adults seeking a good meal, thats what we did: get a babysitter.
Now, for places like Canes, Brewbachers, Rotolo’s….sure, take your brat along.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:12 am to Tiger1242
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I feel like kids being kids in public places used to be more accepted. Now kids in public are expected to be quiet, not move around, and not disturb anyone.
Obviously, I’m not talking about out of control kids, that’s different. Talking about kids playing outside at a restaurant, kids being noisy in a hotel or public transportation, things like that. I think the expectation for people‘s kids to not disturb. Anyone is one of the reasons why so many parents shove screens in their faces anytime they are in public. So what if a four year-old is being noisy in a restaurant, a four-year-old shouldn’t be able to sit quietly at a table for an hour, why do we expect that now?
You are why I support abortion rights.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:16 am to Tiger1242
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I feel like kids being kids in public places used to be more accepted.
It was when people would actually bust their asses for misbehaving. Nowadays, parents let kids run wild while they bury their faces in social media on their phones.
Kids haven't changed. Parents disciplining their kids has.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:19 am to Tiger1242
I dont have kids and dont particularly like kids that are not my nieces and nephews, but the only time it's a nuisance is when the parents are not even trying to keep the kids in line. Even when the kids are going wild, I find it hard to blame the child, they are young thats what they want to do. It's the shite parents that dont want to deal with it.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:22 am to Tiger1242
When poor parenting became more prevalent and too many folks seemed to lose understanding of acceptable public behavior.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:40 am to EastWestConnection
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the only time it's a nuisance is when the parents are not even trying to keep the kids in line. Even when the kids are going wild,
I am 100% with you on this. Unruly kids whose parents won’t discipline them are not the type of kids I’m talking about. I’m talking about the kid talking loudly in the restaurant or playing a game with their friend somewhere in public. These kids aren’t causing anybody any problems other than being loud, and I feel like those types of kids used to be accepted by society and now people act like they are horrible or that their parents suck for allowing their kids to be kids
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:09 am to Tiger1242
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When did society decide children in public were a nuisance?
When society also decided that we shouldn't be allowed to spank kids under any circumstances ever.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:20 am to Tiger1242
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When did society decide children in public were a nuisance?
When we realized dogs were better behaved these days and started bringing them.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:28 am to Tiger1242
Well Pal, I'm now 73 yrs. old and I can remember it being that way more so when I was a kid than what it is now.
Me and my 2 younger sisters use to call ourselves "The 3 Monkeys" as in "See no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil" when we were out with our parents.
No running around places like restaurants like it was a playground screeching and screaming, no crying like a spoiled brat in a store if we didn't get what we wanted---------------because it would for sure get us something we really didn't want.
So, that is not a new concept, it is called common courtesy to folks around you. There are times and places for kids to get silly and cause a fuss, just as there are times and places where they should act accordingly.
Me and my 2 younger sisters use to call ourselves "The 3 Monkeys" as in "See no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil" when we were out with our parents.
No running around places like restaurants like it was a playground screeching and screaming, no crying like a spoiled brat in a store if we didn't get what we wanted---------------because it would for sure get us something we really didn't want.
So, that is not a new concept, it is called common courtesy to folks around you. There are times and places for kids to get silly and cause a fuss, just as there are times and places where they should act accordingly.
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 10:59 am
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:30 am to Tiger1242
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And the people that want to complain about noisy, kids are also the first ones to complain about kids looking at screens too much.
Damn, can you possibly paint this with a bigger brush to get broader strokes????
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:30 am to Tiger1242
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I’m talking about the kid talking loudly in the restaurant or playing a game with their friend somewhere in public. These kids aren’t causing anybody any problems other than being loud, and I feel like those types of kids used to be accepted by society and now people act like they are horrible or that their parents suck for allowing their kids to be kids
So, does your construct that you are trying to build this morning include little girls who squeal loudly, for no reason, at the top of their lungs, while other patrons are trying to have a nice meal? Because I see that a lot too. People from other tables looking across at each other rolling their eyes after each blood curdling scream.
Meanwhile the parents of the offenders continue to drink their margaritas and laugh and talk among themselves.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:49 am to Tiger1242
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I’m more talking about kids running around in a lobby or a hotel lounge.
I guess I just don’t see why society discourages kids to run around and play in public nowadays. If you don’t want to be around kids and go somewhere, that’s adults only.
Get f'd with a sideways cinderblock. Renting a room for a weekend does not give your kid's travel ball team permission to run around the lobby, take over the gym, or to generally disturb others. Do that shite at a park, a playground, or in the middle of I-10.
Your level of respectful kids sounds like it's miles away from what GenX was, and usually raised. You talk on speakerphone in public places, don't you?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:49 am to jcaz
One thing non white cultures do so much better currently is including children
White people used to as well but it hit a wall 15 years ago where white adults now think it’s preposterous children be involved in society. It’s sad and ridiculous to me
Look at this thread. Ridiculous to bring kids to weddings, planes, restaurants, etc etc. It’s a culture that views kids as a problem rather than a gift
But I see the above as a massive reason whites aren’t having kids like other cultures and we are basically committing cultural suicide
White people used to as well but it hit a wall 15 years ago where white adults now think it’s preposterous children be involved in society. It’s sad and ridiculous to me
Look at this thread. Ridiculous to bring kids to weddings, planes, restaurants, etc etc. It’s a culture that views kids as a problem rather than a gift
But I see the above as a massive reason whites aren’t having kids like other cultures and we are basically committing cultural suicide
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 8:52 am
Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:21 am to Tiger1242
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I feel like kids being kids in public places used to be more accepted. Now kids in public are expected to be quiet, not move around, and not disturb anyone.
I think there's two parts to this:
1. Frame of reference. As we get older we romanticize our youth a bit and that can combine with the perception we had (from being young at that time) to taint how we remember things versus the reality.
2. There are more kids out there now with less discipline than there has been in the past. This isn't coming just from lack of parental involvement at the home, but from other vectors (like teachers encouraging students to adopt the teachers' cause du jour and stage a "walkout" and other forms of protest).
Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:25 am to lsupride87
Because Karen will call the cops if you redirect too firmly
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 10:10 am
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