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re: What’s more important? Quality of parents or quality of school?
Posted on 6/4/18 at 9:55 am to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 6/4/18 at 9:55 am to NYNolaguy1
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I would argue good schools can overcome bad parenting. However it takes some maturity from the kid to make it happen.
yeah like when you see those high end schools and every student has a full ride to some prestigious school, you think 100% of them grow up in a supportive household? No the school has a huge influence on the kid, seeing their peers succeed or fail is important.
Which is why we are sending our kid to a school with an average act score of 28, do I believe that every kid that goes there is a genius no, I think the school does a great job of preparing them for school.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 9:58 am
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 9:57 am to Tyga Woods
its like 90% parents and 10% school
Posted on 6/4/18 at 9:57 am to Tyga Woods
Parents. Easily the parents. That being said schools where students feel unsafe or where everyone seems to have given up on the kids aren't helping. I also think parents having the margin in life to read to their kids and help them with homework is something some of us take for granted.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 9:59 am to Tyga Woods
Parents
And it aint even close.
Just look at a school district like Cy Fair ISD.
Schools are generally the same. Teacher quality generally the same. Curriculum generally the same.
Yet you see a wide gap in results.
And that’s due to the home environment
And it aint even close.
Just look at a school district like Cy Fair ISD.
Schools are generally the same. Teacher quality generally the same. Curriculum generally the same.
Yet you see a wide gap in results.
And that’s due to the home environment
Posted on 6/4/18 at 9:59 am to Tyga Woods
while good parents always send their kids to good schools, good schools don’t always indicate good parents.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:01 am to Salmon
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its like 90% parents and 10% school
during the school year a kid will spend about 50% of there time awake at school and far less than that with there parents. How can you say 90-10?
my work day,
drop kid off at 7:00 kid stays at school till 3 after care till 5:15 when either his mother or I rush to get him after work. He is in bed for 9. So during a normal day he spends 1 hour in the morning getting ready with us, and 3.5 hours at night. School spends much more time with him.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:02 am to Tyga Woods
Parental involvement is the biggest factor for a kid's success. There's been plenty of scholars to come out of what people consider crappy public schools. The issue is, people are too lazy or too busy to get involved.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:04 am to Tyga Woods
If you are talking about quality of schools as in condition?
It’s parents for sure.
Just look at BR FLAIM and Mayfair Lab. Both schools are in super old/ran down campuses, but both are A rated.
It’s parents for sure.
Just look at BR FLAIM and Mayfair Lab. Both schools are in super old/ran down campuses, but both are A rated.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:05 am to Tyga Woods
Parents. Duh. This isn’t even a debate.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:05 am to Lsuhack1
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Yes you are, parents only control a portion of a kids influence. To just eliminate where a child will spend ~20,000 hours at through their most influential and trans-formative years is idiotic. The standard of excellence you child is held to at school is very important, If you rank #1 among your peers that means you are doing relativity well, no matter how you rank in the global scheme.
Note: i recently went to a public high school graduation of 550 kids, at the beginning of the ceremony they honored 4 kids who scored in the top 10% of the act. that is less than 1% of the students at this school is in even the top ten percent. I have a hard time believing that 99% of the parents weren't good parents or didn't instill values. the person I was there for stood up.
Good parents don't send their kids to shitty schools.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:05 am to Tyga Woods
Parents are the roots of our life going forward.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:05 am to NYNolaguy1
No question. The parents mold the kid.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:06 am to Tyga Woods
I find this stuff interesting. Some observations:
-Parents can usually overcome a mediocre school, but schools matter. More so for the other kids that are there than for the teaching/instruction. It's an expectations game. Do most kids expect to go to college? Is that the college-bound group's expectation to go to "any" college, or is there a threshold?
-School quality is often misleading. The type of students (this is isn't a racial hint) and the expectations of parents are important. There are a lot of declining suburbs, and a lot of declining suburban schools. A lot of people aren't keeping up with this, and are continuing to assume that going the suburban middle/upper middle class route will ensure top schools.
-The background of the parents are important. I grew up in a fairly affluent community but with a lot of first generation money. A lot of small business owners and people who had money but didn't go to college. It greatly impacts how kids look at college, with the "just get a degree, it doesn't matter what/where" mindset being very prominent.
- As a result, you have a bunch of suburban schools that send 90% of students to college, but overall the matriculation breakdown isn't all that impressive. Meanwhile, you have other closer-in suburban schools or urban schools that may only have 50% of students going to college, but the colleges are in a higher tier as a general rule. Usually, in my experience, because the college-bound group has college grad parents who appreciate that at many levels college choice matters quite a lot.
-Parents can usually overcome a mediocre school, but schools matter. More so for the other kids that are there than for the teaching/instruction. It's an expectations game. Do most kids expect to go to college? Is that the college-bound group's expectation to go to "any" college, or is there a threshold?
-School quality is often misleading. The type of students (this is isn't a racial hint) and the expectations of parents are important. There are a lot of declining suburbs, and a lot of declining suburban schools. A lot of people aren't keeping up with this, and are continuing to assume that going the suburban middle/upper middle class route will ensure top schools.
-The background of the parents are important. I grew up in a fairly affluent community but with a lot of first generation money. A lot of small business owners and people who had money but didn't go to college. It greatly impacts how kids look at college, with the "just get a degree, it doesn't matter what/where" mindset being very prominent.
- As a result, you have a bunch of suburban schools that send 90% of students to college, but overall the matriculation breakdown isn't all that impressive. Meanwhile, you have other closer-in suburban schools or urban schools that may only have 50% of students going to college, but the colleges are in a higher tier as a general rule. Usually, in my experience, because the college-bound group has college grad parents who appreciate that at many levels college choice matters quite a lot.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 10:07 am
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:09 am to whoisnickdoobs
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Good parents don't send their kids to shitty schools.
I will be the first one to admit that their is a correlation between rich parents and good parents, but to say that a parent that can't afford to send there kids to private schools is automatically a bad parent is not something I believe. My parents and my wifes parents were both poor, but now we are ot ballers. I would say we went to a shitty school.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:15 am to Lsuhack1
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I will be the first one to admit that their is a correlation between rich parents and good parents, but to say that a parent that can't afford to send there kids to private schools is automatically a bad parent is not something I believe. My parents and my wifes parents were both poor, but now we are ot ballers. I would say we went to a shitty school.
Is the reason you overcame going to a shitty school because you had good parents?
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:17 am to Tyga Woods
Parents easily.
Look at the poverty, crime, education (well basically any important one) stats for any race, gender, nationality kids that come from traditional families (Mom and Dad) and those that come from single parent homes. Just having 2 Parents present in the home makes a HUGE difference.
Look at the poverty, crime, education (well basically any important one) stats for any race, gender, nationality kids that come from traditional families (Mom and Dad) and those that come from single parent homes. Just having 2 Parents present in the home makes a HUGE difference.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:23 am to Tyga Woods
Parents. Most of what my kids have really learned has been at home. Reading books, doing projects, homework, watching documentaries, having discussions, studying for tests and on and on.
Imagine a kid whose only has exposure to learning is at school.
Imagine a kid whose only has exposure to learning is at school.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:25 am to Packer
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With the amount of over-sight, having a truly "bad" school would me an anomaly. A good parent wouldn't tolerate a bad teacher and would address it properly.
Regarding the original question, blaming the school is merely a continuation of placing blame on someone/anyone else vs. accepting responsibility. Sure, there are cases of just flat out bad arse kids, but for the most part, how a child turns out is on the parent.....good or bad.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:26 am to Tyga Woods
Parents
Asian kids in shitty inner city schools still do well
Asian kids in shitty inner city schools still do well
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:26 am to Tyga Woods
Parents....
There's always good kids who come from shitty schools and it's because of the parents..
There's always good kids who come from shitty schools and it's because of the parents..
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