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re: What would have been your plan if you were on a Normandy landing boat?

Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:02 pm to
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:02 pm to
Up and over the side, and start fighting toward shore if I was in over my head. If I made it to the beach, I'd avoid clusters of men and use the tank stoppers as cover. I think that's the best plan for staying alive while still doing my job.
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:03 pm to
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Invading Normandy the way we did it was dumb af....we had bombers that could have fricked up that beach up and made it look like the moon before we invaded on ground....

To have to storm the beach while gunners were teeing off inside concrete bunkers, then to even get there,then take it over to destroy their long range cannons and take the beach solely on foot was dumbest shite I've ever read about...

You should probably read some Stephen Ambrose. Not only did they use bombers but barraged it non-stop with naval artillery from 68 Destroyers.

"In short, a tremendous tonnage of shells hit the beaches and batteries. The results, for the most part, were terribly disappointing. As anyone who has visited the normandy beaches will attest, this was not because of inaccurate fire, but rather the result of German skill in fortification building... They [the batteries] took many direct hits, dozens in some cases, but even the 14-inch shells failed to penetrate. The shells made pock marks, the knocked away some concrete, they exposed the steel reinforcing rods, but they did not penetrate." However "Many of the German gunners inside were rendered deaf or knocked out by concussion" from being inside a concrete bunker.
Posted by ccard257
Fort Worth, TX
Member since Oct 2012
1410 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:03 pm to
Grandfatger carried a Bangalore onto Omaha. The story i got secondhand is that he dropped his helmet while unloading, stopped to pick it up and held up a few other guys in the process. That little group managed to get behind a stranded tank and move up to the beach. Rest of the boat did not fare as well.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49196 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:03 pm to
quote:

A zigzag pattern is supposedly the most effective way to dodge bullets. Makes it impossible to shoot where you're going to be.


You aren't zig zagging in chest deep water.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:04 pm to
The amount of concrete the Germans poured along the beaches of France was staggering
Posted by iAmBatman
The Batcave
Member since Mar 2011
12382 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:05 pm to
How many fricking threads do you start in a day? You’re worse than Oweo
Posted by ElectricWizard0
Member since Jul 2017
2702 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:05 pm to
You have a link to this? I've done multiple projects and papers on WWII and I've never come across this
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
47498 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:05 pm to
As another poster said. I don’t like this game. That being said. A friend Dad landed on Utah beach. He told us a story about how their were guys in his unit that claimed they were atheist and there was no God. He said when they loaded onto the landing craft all of them guys were openly praying to God and every one of them were Christians when the door dropped.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
36469 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:07 pm to
Just think if it weren't the D squad defending the beach. Pussy arse Russians who surrendered, kids and elderly is what held the beach.

Imagine if it were the German 6th army and 4th panzer division on the bluffs overlooking the beach head instead of some rag tag group of undesirables.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19459 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:08 pm to
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t was pretty stupid that the front of the boat opened up like that instead of the sides of the boat


That’s what they get for letting a retarded coonass design the thing
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:09 pm to
I'm pretty sure it's true
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
70894 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:11 pm to
I have so much on WW2 and I just stumbled across Tiger in a random Time life book.

Some books report it as friendly fire, some say Eboats appeared and left undetected. It was a combination of both.


quote:

Exercise Tiger, or Operation Tiger, was the code name for one in a series of large-scale rehearsals for the D-Day invasion of Normandy, which took place in April 1944 on Slapton Sands in Devon. Coordination and communication problems resulted in friendly fire deaths during the exercise, and an Alliedconvoy positioning itself for the landing was attacked by E-boats of Nazi Germany's Kriegsmarine, resulting in the deaths of at least 749 American servicemen.[1][2] Because of the impending invasion of Normandy, the incident was under the strictest secrecy at the time and was only nominally reported afterwards.


quote:

The remaining ships and their escort fired back and the E-boats made no more attacks. In total, 749 servicemen (551 United States Army and 198 United States Navy) were killed during Exercise Tiger,[2][14] whereas 197 were killed in the actual Utah Beach landing on 6 June.[15] Many servicemen drowned or died of hypothermia in the cold sea while waiting to be rescued. Many had not been shown how to put on their lifebelt correctly, and placed it around their waist, the only available spot because of their large backpacks. In some cases this meant that when they jumped into the water the weight of their combat packs flipped them upside down, dragging their heads underwater and drowning them.[16]Dale Rodman, who travelled on LST-507, commented: "The worst memory I have is setting off in the lifeboat away from the sinking ship and watching bodies float by." [5]The 248 bodies that were recovered were sent to Brookwood Cemetery in Surrey on 29 April.[17]



Most believe that more deaths were caused by the friendly fire shellings, but clearly not being on the same radio channel as the British allowed for small German coastal boats to destroy some unguarded landing crafts.

Quotes from Wikipedia.

Just Google "operation tiger"
See what you find.

There is definitely a conspiracy of sorts there. Mostly a cover-up of a bad error.


This post was edited on 11/20/17 at 7:16 pm
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
26051 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:11 pm to
The German 352nd wasn't a bad outfit
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
51951 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:14 pm to
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if I'm in the rear I'm not certain that i would exit.


Then your boat driver would shoot you for not leaving... Seriously
Posted by papasmurf1269
Hells Pass
Member since Apr 2005
21221 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:14 pm to
Dodge
Duck
Dip
Dive
Dodge
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
70894 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:14 pm to
I thought at the time they are mostly conscripts with the Germans mostly being on the Eastern front.
Posted by ElectricWizard0
Member since Jul 2017
2702 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:15 pm to
Sweet thanks! I'm a huge WWII buff and like I said that was the first I had ever heard of that. Will definitely look more into it
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
68886 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:16 pm to
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During D Day invasion. Front row do you immediately try to dive off to the side when the gate drops? A few rows back do you try to use dead bodies for cover? How would you try to get to the beach and cover?


There is a bit of a myth when it comes to the Normandy landings. I blame Saving Private Ryan for it. The misunderstanding is that all landing craft were swept with MG42 fire firing straight down into the boat as soon as the ramp came down.

But that's not actually true, at least for the vast majority of the boats at any rate. In fact, the only boats that were hit straight on with fire before their troops could disembark were the ones who had the misfortune to hit the beach directly in front of the German pillboxes and bunkers. Most boats came ashore between the machine gun nests and thus were not subject to head on MG fire but instead took flanking fire from either left, right, or even both sides. Thus most infantrymen were able to safely disembark, albeit only to come under intense fire the moment they left their landing boats.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:17 pm to
That and most beaches were much longer/deeper than that depicted in SPR
Posted by Michael T. Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2004
8628 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:18 pm to
Don’t die.
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