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re: What St George is REALLY about

Posted on 3/4/18 at 10:46 am to
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30553 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 10:46 am to
How SJW of you GreatLakes
Posted by longtooth
Member since Jun 2013
406 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 10:58 am to
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There is an elementary school in walking distance of my house but it’s a D, borderline F school. That’s unacceptable


I’ve been to a few community meetings around town and it’s a wonderful opportunity to grill school board members and the superintendents.

The one thing that opened my eyes was how well versed and knowledgeable the blacks in attendance were. The other thing I took out of these meetings is that the current school leadership is really busting arse to turn the system around. They WANT the middle class back. The only limits right now are money and time.

Several elementary schools are turning around. LaSalle and Audubon are great examples of non-magnet, neighborhood schools.

Mayfair is the next Westdale Heights if it isn’t already...Broadmoor Middle will be renovated might end up the new home of the A rated Foreign Lang. Immersion.

There is good stuff going on and this effort needs more people to make it to meetings, understand what the facts are and push for change.

So I’m not giving up.
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 11:15 am
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
7117 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:00 am to
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Okay so back to St George.

They are basically trying to separate from BR?

There is a lot of incorrect information here so let me give you the rundown.

About 30 years ago the federal government got involved due to a desegregation case that forced kids out of their neighborhood school in an effort to racially balance all the schools in the parish. At the time the district had about 70,000 students, and 4 cities, Baton Rouge, Zachary, Central, and Baker.

A lot of people (Mostly white) pulled their kids out of public schools and put them in private school. What was left was majority minority and low income students utilizing the public school system.

People in Baker and Zachary eventually broke off and created their own district. Zachary is successful but has close to double the school tax rate and Baker has the same tax rate but has been having issues since it broke away. Baker is a lower income area.

Central started the process to pull out. Then the desegregation case ended. Forced busing ended, but the pull out continued. They have been successful since the pull out but their school taxes have pretty much doubled as well.

The State has also gotten into the mix with the RSD schools and Charter schools. At this point EBR Parish School System has about 40,000 students.

Now St. George area (South Baton Rouge) is currently not part of any city. They wanted to start their own school district but were told they need to incorporate before that will happen. They tried 2 years ago and failed and now they want to try again.

The people who understand what is going on question why? If they pull out history has shown taxes WILL go up. No one currently is forced to be bussed across the Parish. They can if they want to go to a Magnet school or if they are attending a failing school according to state law. Therefore, if they are successful in creating there own school district they will have the same student base they have now with the additional kids that are currently going to Magnet schools. History has also shown us when pull outs happen the teachers stay at the school and just change employers.

The question really comes down to, do you believe if you pull out you will pick up a bunch of student from private school and is that worth your taxes going up.

The issue for the people in the city of Baton Rouge is every school system that broke off did so without bearing any of the legacy costs. St. George doesn’t want to bear any either. Hell, the parochial schools don’t even pay for busing, EBR Parish Schools provides busing to them as some deal to placate people back when the desegregation started.

Saying all this I live in Livingston Parish, I have just followed this for a while because it’s interesting.
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 11:15 am
Posted by AlbertPoolHoles
Member since Jun 2015
176 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:04 am to
Need to get rid of all black teachers. They have the same “I don’t care” attitude that you see from every fat black chick working every convienence store or refinery gate. And they stank
Posted by TheFranchise
The Stick
Member since Feb 2005
6203 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:06 am to
There was once a place called old Milton County. Today it comprises northern Fulton County, Georgia. If you look at Fulton County on a map you will see a very oblong, oddly shaped county.

Beginning in the mid to late 80s, Atlanta experienced the what grew into a huge population boom. Many folks began settling in, what was during those days, the northernmost reaches of what you could call the ATL metro area. North Fulton, East Cobb and, eventually, North Cobb & Gwinnett became the most-prized regions of the metro area.

Whether you are pro- or anti- St George your research should start with the movement to re-establish Old Milton County as a case study of redistributionist taxation and school spending policies.

As an aside, about 6 weeks post-Katrina, Lakeview had finally been made accessible again. My dad and I went down to my condo to see what could be saved.

I'll never forget driving down Vets thru Metairie and, upon crossing the canal into Orleans, the stark contrast immediately setting in. It was as if a nuclear bomb had gone off - no power, everything was brown or gray, the streets were largely empty.

Pretty much the exact same experience of crossing to the north of Florida Blvd in BR.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164097 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:06 am to
Guess what. In the age of Trump people don’t give a shite about stuff like this anymore.
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:10 am to
Correct.
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:11 am to
Racist POS
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
7117 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:13 am to
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Need to get rid of all black teachers. They have the same “I don’t care” attitude that you see from every fat black chick working every convienence store or refinery gate. And they stank

This is why many people look at the breakaway school district as a racist movement. It is impossible for anyone to say it’s not a major factor when a bunch of supporters say stuff like this.
Posted by the paradigm
Moon Township, PA
Member since Sep 2017
5417 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:14 am to
My son goes to Shenandoah Elementary and I assure you, there are busloads of kids who are from other parts of the parish who come because their neighborhood schools are shitty. Point is, if the EBR system is as good as they claim, then why are there any shitty schools to begin with? Why aren’t they strong across the board?

With a new ISD, only kids in the district will be allowed to go to those schools. A kid from an EBR shitty school will continue to be bussed to another EBR school — but it won’t be a St. George school.
Posted by the paradigm
Moon Township, PA
Member since Sep 2017
5417 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:15 am to
Yeah that’s pure racist bullshite right there. I’ve worked with many black teachers who are excellent.
Posted by the paradigm
Moon Township, PA
Member since Sep 2017
5417 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:22 am to
They’ve been feeding us the same BS for the past 30 years: “there’s a lot of good things going on” etc... and yes there are SOME schools that are showing slight improvement. But there are just as many that are getting worse instead of better, and data continues to show that the parish as a whole is regressing instead of progressing. Without schools like Shenandoah Elementary and Parkview Elementary and a few select others, the EBR system would be one of the lowest in the state. If a new ISD system is established, just watch when happens when all of the kids from these good schools are no longer factored in to the EBR rating.
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 12:17 pm
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
7117 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:23 am to
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With a new ISD, only kids in the district will be allowed to go to those schools. A kid from an EBR shitty school will continue to be bussed to another EBR school — but it won’t be a St. George school.

That is correct, but if you have have a kid in a Magnet school they will not be allowed to go to it anymore as well. The thing I kinda of question about your statement is that there are not very many schools in the ST. George area. So, how is there room to bus all these kids from a failing North Baton Rouge school into your school? Could it be that it’s just kids from a poor area that would still be part of your schools attendance zone even after the pull out? I ask this because the last attempt at the pull out it was universally believed that the first order of business would be to build more school due to overcrowding because EBR hadn’t built enough schools in the area in the past.
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 11:25 am
Posted by pochejp
Gonzales, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2007
7855 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:27 am to
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I will NOT be silenced.

If people would actually talk TRUTH then these fake narratives wouldn’t continue for very long. But instead we want to be “polite” and try to “all get along”. frick that.



Well you asked so here it is to me. In my lifetime (51 years) I've come to the conclusion that black people hate whites no matter what we do. It amazes me to no end why they want to go where we go, live where we live and integrate predominantly white schools when they literally hate us. Then when they do come in they ruin the places like Tara High School for example. I graduated from Tara in 85 and it was a decent school then but the busing had just started 2 years before in 83. Some of my classmates I went to school with as a freshman at Tara that lived on Drusilla lane was bused to McKinley. The school started its decline then. The black students they bused in from Capitol High district hated us and you could see the hate in their eyes. They didn't want to be there either. Now look at the school and the shite show that Tara has become and like Broadmoor is now as well. Why do it? I don't blame the residents of St. George wanting out of BR. I left in 95 and never looked back because I could see what the future of BR was to be. I was right. I hope St. George happens.
Posted by longtooth
Member since Jun 2013
406 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:29 am to
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My son goes to Shenandoah Elementary and I assure you, there are busloads of kids who are from other parts of the parish who come because their neighborhood schools are shitty. Point is, if the EBR system is as good as they claim, then why are there any shitty schools to begin with? Why aren’t they strong across the board?


Who is claiming the EBR schools are good? There are good and great schools, but obviously there is much work to be done. But many here claiming all of ebr schools are crap is just as misleading though. As evidenced by you choosing a good one.
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 11:38 am
Posted by rilesrick
Member since Mar 2015
6704 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:32 am to
Great another fuking leach with no conscience . The tit will be removed you and your ilk will kill each off and then we might have something to work with.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34146 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:39 am to
Folks in Baker, Zachary, Livingston pay higher taxes than EBR for their new and better schools? How much more in taxes? That's a slippery slope as they are still paying state income tax.
Posted by go_tigres
Member since Sep 2013
5155 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:39 am to
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Kinda hard to talk truth when doing so gets you labeled a racist. See op.


I'm late to the party.....but this guy gets it. I don't agree with homosexuality, paying for someone else's way(when they aren't attempting to better themselves), excessively spoiling my children, living above my means, current PC trends, disarming law abiding citizens, pissing away tax money with no ROI, etc. that doesn't make me a racist, mouth breathing Neanderthal
Posted by longtooth
Member since Jun 2013
406 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:41 am to
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With a new ISD, only kids in the district will be allowed to go to those schools. A kid from an EBR shitty school will continue to be bussed to another EBR school


Unless it is an at large ISD. Meaning, if seats are still available then a kid from EBR can be accepted. This is how it works in Denver, CO...although they won’t bus the kid. Actually, I believe even the different counties cooperate so kids can transfer to another county even...
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 11:50 am
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 11:43 am to
I am for SG and fully admit this problem is NOT about schools any longer. That's a piece of it.

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