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re: What should happen to this guy in the country illegally
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:03 pm to 777Tiger
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:03 pm to 777Tiger
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long time US practice
The long time US practice is not what is being discussed here. That's the apples to oranges comparison I pointed out that that you fail to acknowledge. The people and program you're referencing were known to not be US citizens when we recruited them, and they were recruited for very specific reasons that gave our military a distinct advantage.
What is being discussed here is illegals and or citizens of other countries in our rank and file military and giving them citizenship for doing so.
This post was edited on 3/5/26 at 12:04 pm
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Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:05 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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do not want our rank and file military comprised of non-US citizens whose sole motivation for being essentially a mercenary is access to the US and its resources in a few years.
That's fine, but its been a path to citizenship for a long time
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:06 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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The people and program you're referencing were known to not be US citizens when we recruited them, and they were recruited for very specific reasons that gave our military a distinct advantage.
they were literally handing them rifles straight off the boat in the Civil War 
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:06 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Overstaying your Visa should be an automatic ban on future citizenship. If you start out breaking the law, then you should not be rewarded.
Considering his military service and assuming he has not broken any other laws, I would let him remain as a lawful resident with a green card, but no path to citizenship.
Ideally, he would have been deported when he tried to join the military, since he was here illegally. But since he was allowed in and was honorably discharged, let him stay.
Considering his military service and assuming he has not broken any other laws, I would let him remain as a lawful resident with a green card, but no path to citizenship.
Ideally, he would have been deported when he tried to join the military, since he was here illegally. But since he was allowed in and was honorably discharged, let him stay.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:06 pm to Diseasefreeforall
His service should have gotten him citizenship, but you still have to do the paperwork.
I served with people from many different countries that ended up getting their citizenship. But it doesn't just magically happen....
I served with people from many different countries that ended up getting their citizenship. But it doesn't just magically happen....
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:08 pm to Chucktown_Badger
AS a FYI, according to google, there are currently between 35,000 and 40,000 Foreign nationals in all branches of the US military. About 5,000-10,000 gain citizenship from the process each year.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:10 pm to Salmon
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but its been a path to citizenship for a long time
Can you post a link that details this practice of non-US citizens joining our military and then becoming citizens following their service?
This post was edited on 3/5/26 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:11 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Can you post a link that details this practice of non-US citizens joining our military and then becoming citizens following their service?
Easily.
Naturalization Through Military Service
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:13 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:13 pm to Salmon
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they were literally handing them rifles straight off the boat in the Civil War
So you're suggesting because the environment and situation made sense in the Civil War 165 years ago, we should do it now, in today's situation and environment?
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:15 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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So you're suggesting because the environment and situation made sense in the Civil War 165 years ago, we should do it now, in today's situation and environment?
No.
I was simply laughing at your post about how its always been this very thought out "strategic" process.
Anymore dishonest framing you want to lob my way?
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:19 pm to Dicky
You may be surprised at how many Hispanic servicemen this applies to. But yes, if honorably discharged, they should all be granted citizenship.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:20 pm to Chucktown_Badger
We need to widen and deepen the path to citizenship through military service.
It worked for the Romans.
It worked for the Romans.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:21 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Easily.
Naturalization Through Military Service
you have to fulfill either section 328 or 329 to even apply for naturalization
And those include:
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Status: Must be a Lawful Permanent Resident (LPR) at the time of the interview.
or
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Status: Must have been lawfully admitted as a permanent resident at any time after enlistment, or was physically present in the U.S. at the time of enlistment/reenlistment.
Then you have the actual naturalization process which has it's own quite lengthy list of requirements.
So a far cry and far more stringent than any illegals or citizens from other countries only being required to "serve honorably", as has been said many times in this thread already.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:21 pm to Dicky
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If you honorably serve in the US military, you should be a citizen. You're already more patriotic than 90% of the country.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:22 pm to Salmon
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I was simply laughing at your post about how its always been this very thought out "strategic" process.
So you're suggesting it wasn't thought out and done for strategic reasons during the Civil War?
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Anymore dishonest framing you want to lob my way?
You brought up the civil war, not me. That was your only attempt to show that illegals and citizens of other countries had a "long history" of serving en masse in the US military.
This post was edited on 3/5/26 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:50 pm to GeauxZone90
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He should live in a secluded island in the Caribbean’s or in the Pacific
Isn't Epstein's island empty, with a mansion and amenities?
Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:57 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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So you're suggesting it wasn't thought out and done for strategic reasons during the Civil War?
It was done out of desperation. If that is all you require for being "strategic", than ok, but I doubt that is what you meant.
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That was your only attempt to show that illegals and citizens of other countries had a "long history" of serving en masse in the US military.
I could give examples of WWI and WWII if you want?
And I continue to think its weird how you keep saying "illegals", when they are not "illegal" if they join our military. That is the "proper channels" that everyone wants.
This post was edited on 3/5/26 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 3/5/26 at 1:01 pm to Dicky
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If you honorably serve in the US military, you should be a citizen. You're already more patriotic than 90% of the country
Nah, it would just be abused.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 1:12 pm to Salmon
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And I continue to think its weird how you keep saying "illegals", when they are not "illegal" if they join our military. That is the "proper channels" that everyone wants.
Many in this thread have said already that "if you served and were honorably discharged you should get citizenship"...with that suggestion including any illegals who found their way in.
Please don't make me quote them all because there's a bunch (one of them is quoted in the post above).
This post was edited on 3/5/26 at 1:13 pm
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