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re: What is your solution to the homeless problem?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:51 pm to Bandit30
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:51 pm to Bandit30
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I'm willing to bet very few homeless people are able bodied or mind.
Actually, they are. The most pressing issue is drug/alcohol abuse
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•38% report alcohol use problems
•26% report other drug use problems
•39% report some form of mental health problems (20-25% meet criteria for serious mental illness)
•66% report either substance use and/or mental health problems
•3% report having HIV/AIDS
•26% report acute health problems other than HIV/AIDS such as tuberculosis, pneumonia, or sexually transmitted diseases
•46% report chronic health conditions such as high blood pressure, diabetes, or cancer
LINK
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For persons in families, the three most commonly cited causes, according to a 2008 U.S. Conference of Mayors study (pdf) are:
•Lack of affordable housing
•Poverty
•Unemployment
For singles, the three most commonly cited causes of homelessness are:
•Substance abuse
•Lack of affordable housing
•Mental illness
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:54 pm to LsuFan_1955
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Some federal frickheads, some call them judges, ruled the homeless can be bums and beg. To arrest them and run them out of town is a violation of their 1st Amendment rights. So decree the frickheads! Deal with it!
We've always had bums. In the old days they would ride the rails as drifters. Work sometimes, loaf sometimes. They could often stay at boarding houses, which are unaffordable these days.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Our society has progressed to the point that people can be the biggest slob piece or lazy shits and still manage to not die in the elements or starve to death. And they can still probably find a piece of meat to procreate with.
What a time to be alive.
Honestly won't be long before UBI starts to really start catching on and talked about more seriously.
What a time to be alive.
Honestly won't be long before UBI starts to really start catching on and talked about more seriously.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:00 pm to SuperSaint
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Honestly won't be long before UBI starts to really start catching on and talked about more seriously.
I would be for it if it meant replacing the existing system of welfare 100%. Dismantle the whole bureaucracy.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I just hit reply below your name. It was a reply to the thread not a reply to your post
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:02 pm to TigerinATL
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Seriously though, unless you make them wards of the state and institutionalize them, you're not going to be able to keep these unfortunate people away from population centers any more than you can keep the raccoons and possums away. A fenced in field on the outskirts of town does not give them what they need to survive.
Mental Health hospitals have been closing all over the country (really worldwide) over the last 25 years due to severe budget cuts in local, state and federal authorities. Many years ago these hospitals were used to keep these people off the streets and they were pretty much sedated to keep them from being problematic to the staffs. The governments-of both parties-realized they had tons of dollars going to these facilities and the public was screaming for dollars and these were easy ways to cut budgets. Well now they have nowhere to go so they beg on the streets and of course the public is outraged by the very thought that these "lazy" people are living in boxes and under overpasses and shitting on the sidewalk.
What we as a society need to decide is do we want to actually fund mental health which is a great expense or do we accept the fact that they have no where to go and can be a danger to themselves and others. This is a reason for civil discourse as it affects everyone in our society.
To just say they all are lazy and don't want to work is foolish, selfish and uninformed.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:06 pm to Martini
I do my part by ridiculing them in an attempt to motivate them.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:11 pm to Martini
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Mental Health hospitals have been closing all over the country (really worldwide) over the last 25 years due to severe budget cuts in local, state and federal authorities. Many years ago these hospitals were used to keep these people off the streets and they were pretty much sedated to keep them from being problematic to the staffs. The governments-of both parties-realized they had tons of dollars going to these facilities and the public was screaming for dollars and these were easy ways to cut budgets. Well now they have nowhere to go so they beg on the streets and of course the public is outraged by the very thought that these "lazy" people are living in boxes and under overpasses and shitting on the sidewalk.
What we as a society need to decide is do we want to actually fund mental health which is a great expense or do we accept the fact that they have no where to go and can be a danger to themselves and others. This is a reason for civil discourse as it affects everyone in our society.
To just say they all are lazy and don't want to work is foolish, selfish and uninformed.
I think you ascribe too much of the cause of this to "funding." I'm not saying that wasn't part of the consideration, but I'm not sure it was the chief consideration. There were/are other issues involved in why this occurred.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:17 pm to Azranod
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rub his own feces on his chest and face
This is wrong?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:18 pm to PortHudsonPlaya
Move somewhere without a large homeless problem?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:28 pm to PortHudsonPlaya
Mandatory stay at a mental health facility. That's where 99.9% of the homeless belong.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:30 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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What we as a society need to decide is do we want to actually fund mental health which is a great expense
no
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or do we accept the fact that they have no where to go and can be a danger to themselves and others.
yes.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:46 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Well sure. Cheaper drugs, broken families, economics, larger population, changing demographics. Plenty of other reasons as to how we got here. Cheap money to borrow making the American dream of owning a home when the individual can't afford a home and then loses the home, easy credit, public education, jobs drying up, small town America disappearing, entitlement programs, 2-3 generations of government funded welfare.
It's a long list but my point was there were many hospitals that kept a lot of this element of society hidden from view and that has mostly dried up and add all of the above issues with it and it is where we are today. And now the band aid has been ripped off, the curtain opened and we all see it in areas of our life and it makes us uncomfortable.
And to address this problem, homelessness, you have to address many other societal problems as they all are intertwined. Gun control, mental health, public education, welfare, social security and immigration are all discussions that reflect one another. All of them affect all of society and all need complete wholesale changes and overhauls-not just throwing money at them-but we do have to realize money does have to be spent.
Until we can have discourse and respect all participants views and eliminate antagonism within the discussions we will continue to have these problems and they will continue to get exponentially worse as time goes on. I like to think that we as an American society still have a need and a want for civil virtue that will allow us to address our problems, create solutions and improve our fellow man while not browbeating the very unfortunate of us. I just hope my thinking is right and this country wakes up and realizes we do need to work together and beating our own chests while claiming everyone else is wrong will not make us better.
Well that's the end of that.
It's a long list but my point was there were many hospitals that kept a lot of this element of society hidden from view and that has mostly dried up and add all of the above issues with it and it is where we are today. And now the band aid has been ripped off, the curtain opened and we all see it in areas of our life and it makes us uncomfortable.
And to address this problem, homelessness, you have to address many other societal problems as they all are intertwined. Gun control, mental health, public education, welfare, social security and immigration are all discussions that reflect one another. All of them affect all of society and all need complete wholesale changes and overhauls-not just throwing money at them-but we do have to realize money does have to be spent.
Until we can have discourse and respect all participants views and eliminate antagonism within the discussions we will continue to have these problems and they will continue to get exponentially worse as time goes on. I like to think that we as an American society still have a need and a want for civil virtue that will allow us to address our problems, create solutions and improve our fellow man while not browbeating the very unfortunate of us. I just hope my thinking is right and this country wakes up and realizes we do need to work together and beating our own chests while claiming everyone else is wrong will not make us better.
Well that's the end of that.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:50 pm to PortHudsonPlaya
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specifically around Minute Maid Park
That would be the Red Sox
Posted on 10/6/17 at 4:16 pm to PortHudsonPlaya
Build work communes for those who are transient. Build looney bins for the others.
Get them off the street.
Get them off the street.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 4:46 pm to mtntiger
quote:This. We don't have a poverty problem. We have a mental health problem.
Mandatory stay at a mental health facility. That's where 99.9% of the homeless belong.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 4:48 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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think you ascribe too much of the cause of this to "funding." I'm not saying that wasn't part of the consideration, but I'm not sure it was the chief consideration. There were/are other issues involved in why this occurred.
Plus mental health isn't the primary cause of homelessness
Posted on 10/6/17 at 4:50 pm to alajones
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Get them off the street.
Some prefer the lifestyle and I don't think it should be illegal to be homeless.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 4:55 pm to PortHudsonPlaya
Why do they need to have homes?
They seem pretty adept at living off the grid without any of the responsibilities we have. They get drunk, have sex (sometimes even consensually), and basically live like indigenous people.
Those who want out of that lifestyle can do it, as can those who want it.
I work in downtown Houston and have come to view them as larger, smelly pigeons that don’t always get out of my way.
They seem pretty adept at living off the grid without any of the responsibilities we have. They get drunk, have sex (sometimes even consensually), and basically live like indigenous people.
Those who want out of that lifestyle can do it, as can those who want it.
I work in downtown Houston and have come to view them as larger, smelly pigeons that don’t always get out of my way.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 4:57 pm to ctiger69
Ask them for money before they ask you. Works every time
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