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re: What is your opinion of conspiracy theorists?

Posted on 12/28/17 at 9:14 pm to
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 9:14 pm to
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Listen to Noam Chomsky's lectures about the prism of American political discourse and the media's role in manufacturing and manipulating narratives to achieve maximum public support for specific policies. While I hate many of his political views, his takes on media self-censorship and collusion with nefarious elements of our own government are eye opening.


Are you referring to "Manufacturing Consent"?
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 9:29 pm to
If someone wants to give people a little hope there will be justice on this earth for the likes of Hillary Rodham Clinton and her scum cohorts, I’ll read the thread.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 9:38 pm to
That one along with Policy and the Media Prism. It was a 2014 lecture at UF I believe.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 9:42 pm to
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Brainwashing isn't limited to conspiracy theorists. The mainstream American press, also known as the mouthpiece for the American political establishment, is as guilty of brainwashing as any conspiratorial news medium.

Listen to Noam Chomsky's lectures about the prism of American political discourse and the media's role in manufacturing and manipulating narratives to achieve maximum public support for specific policies. While I hate many of his political views, his takes on media self-censorship and collusion with nefarious elements of our own government are eye opening.


One of the big points in the DNC email scandal was that many leading media figures at NBC, ABC, CBS, and CNN were on the payroll of the DNC and distributing the DNC's talking points word for word.

That goes along with the wikileaks assertion that the CIA had been embedding agents in the newsrooms of major media outlets since at least the 1960's in order to push/suppress stories to manage the media narrative in the country.

These are not even theories at this point, these have been proven. There's not just a liberal bias among journalists, there are liberal journalists that are paid to report exactly what one political party wants them to say each and every day.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 9:43 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 9:50 pm to
A few simple questions - if people like Julian Assange and Alex Jones are uncovering all of these massive scandals, wouldn't power brokers just end them?

I'm supposed to believe organizations are promoting things like the Vegas shooting, but they can't assassinate Alex Jones?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 9:53 pm to
Well, Alex Jones has basically zero credibility with mainstream audiences due to his pushing of conspiracy theories FAR more absurd than the ones proven true by Wikileaks. He talks about Lizard People and children being used as slaves on secret space program colonies on the Moon and Mars. A lot of conspiracy theorists believe that Alex Jones may actually be a CIA asset who promotes outrageous conspiracy theories to discredit the real conspiracies in the public mind. Basically, because he's talking about Lizard people AND the CIA running guns and drugs all over the world, people will conflate the two and see both narratives as illegitimate coming from Alex Jones because the Lizard People stuff is down right insane.

Andrew Breitbart is dead (likely poisoned), Edward Snowden was forced into hiding in exile in Russia, Chelsea Manning is now in prison, Seth Rich was murdered, and Julian Assange cannot leave the Ecuadorian Embassy in London without being arrested.

I'd say they're doing a pretty good job.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 9:59 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 10:07 pm to
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Alex Jones because the Lizard People stuff is down right insane.



Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 10:15 pm to
As for Julian Assange, he has said repeatedly that he has information that would end the U.S. political order as we know it. Killing him would result in a document dump that the establishment does not want.

I believe Assange has documents that show our government knew about 9-11 and allowed it to happen to use as a justification for perpetual war in the Middle East. It is hilarious to see those in Washington and the media try to paint Assange as a foreign agent. He has caught those in power with their pants down time and time again and they can't attack his credibility, so they try and shift the narrative and question his motives.
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 10:25 pm to
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As for Julian Assange, he has said repeatedly that he has information that would end the U.S. political order as we know it. Killing him would result in a document dump that the establishment does not want.



Why not dump them then while he's alive to tell the tale? Reminds me of Anonymous. If you have the goods, spill it.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70493 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 10:30 pm to
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Why not dump them then while he's alive to tell the tale? Reminds me of Anonymous. If you have the goods, spill it.


This is my opinion, however I see the utility of what he's doing. It's mutually assured destruction. As long as he has the distribution system to get those document dumps out there, then he has a life insurance policy. If he gives up his ace in the hole, he dies.

It seems to me, though, that Assange believes that Trump is genuine in his desire to "drain the swamp", and is confident enough in Trump's administration that he is giving them the chance to do so. If Trump succeeds in clearing out all of those people that want Assange dead, Julian becomes a free man and sees his goals accomplished while he waits out the war in relative safety and comfort.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 10:32 pm to
It's a bargaining chip for his life. That's his insurance for not being killed. If we wanted him dead, the Ecuadorian Embassy isn't going to stop us. There's a reason Assange hasn't been murdered yet.
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:02 pm to
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What is your opinion of conspiracy theorists?


They're up to something, trying to distract us from the truth with their chicanery.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:04 pm to
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As for Julian Assange, he has said repeatedly that he has information that would end the U.S. political order as we know it. Killing him would result in a document dump that the establishment does not want.

Posted by Cocotheape
Member since Aug 2015
4242 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:15 pm to
Republicans/conservatives are the party of Watergate (and all of Nixon's insane crap), Iran contra, Iraq WMDs, and so on, but it's crazy how it's only the DNC, Soros, "Clinton Machine", MSM and the "deep state" that get much play on this board. Weird how that works, that the conspiracies work out to perfectly reinforce someone's political beliefs.

Anyway, yeah they are all true. Don't sleep on the lizard people
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 2:13 am to
I think in most these theories there is some truth. The question is where does the truth end and the conspiracy begin.
Posted by Easye921
Mobile
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 2:34 am to
My favorite is the guy that said he was contracted to build an underground base in Dulce,NM and got into a firefight with aliens. He said a bunch a green berets were killed and he got most of his fingers blown off. He started giving talks about what happened and was shorty after found dead at his home. He was strangled to death. I think his name was Phil Schneider.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19618 posts
Posted on 12/29/17 at 3:39 am to
The world is chaotic. When thinks go south, people automatically assume some cabal of rich old dudes is sitting in a mansion somewhere plotting to take over (Eyes Wide Shut style). It's easier to believe that than to actually analyze the complexities of the world.

That said, there are conspiracies. I just don't think they are as elaborate as the conspiracy nuts make them.
Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
7468 posts
Posted on 12/29/17 at 5:25 am to
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may actually be a CIA asset who promotes outrageous conspiracy theories to discredit the real conspiracies in the public mind.


This shite happens. Watched a UFO documentary on Netflix once. It centers around this Air Force guy whose job was to investigate, discredit and manufacture controversy within the UFO community. Basically, throw the baby out with the bathwater just in case kind of thing. He decided to "join" the UFO community as way to "make peace" with his past, aliens exist, UFO's are real etc.
Turns out all these UFO tards knew who he was because they all dealt with him. None of them trusted him and every once in a while this guy would joke that if he was still working for the Air Force none of them would know anyways....creating More chaos and confusion in the process

Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68403 posts
Posted on 12/29/17 at 6:53 am to
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Republicans/conservatives are the party of Watergate (and all of Nixon's insane crap), Iran contra, Iraq WMDs, and so on, but it's crazy how it's only the DNC, Soros, "Clinton Machine", MSM and the "deep state" that get much play on this board. Weird how that works, that the conspiracies work out to perfectly reinforce someone's political beliefs.


Well said. I think people are realizing there is a neocon ruling class on both sides behind a lot of the BS in our recent history. I'm pretty sure both the Clintons and Bushes knew about drugs being run out of Mena. I used to think that a guy like Dick Cheney was the most evil of the D.C. power brokers, but he doesn't hold a candle to sweet, old pappy Bush.

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Nor, finally, is it in any way a "theory" that the one, single name that can be directly linked to the Third Reich, the US military industrial complex, Skull and Bones, Eastern Establishment good ol' boys, the Illuminati, Big Texas Oil, the Bay of Pigs, the Miami Cubans, the Mafia, the FBI, the JFK assassination, the New World Order, Watergate, the Republican National Committee, Eastern European fascists, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, CIA headquarters, the October Surprise, the Iran/Contra scandal, Inslaw, the Christic Institute, Manuel Noriega, drug-running "freedom fighters" and death squads, Iraqgate, Saddam Hussein, weapons of mass destruction, the blood of innocents, the savings and loan crash, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, the "Octopus," the "Enterprise," the Afghan mujaheddin, the War on Drugs, Mena (Arkansas), Whitewater, Sun Myung Moon, the Carlyle Group, Osama bin Laden and the Saudi royal family, David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, and the presidency and vice-presidency of the United States, is: George Herbert Walker Bush.

"Theory?"

To the contrary. It is a well-documented, tragic and — especially if you're paranoid — terrifying fact.

Paranoid Shift.
This post was edited on 12/29/17 at 6:54 am
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