re: What is your opinion of conspiracy theorists?

He means the Q thread

You say I am paranoid. I say you are naive.

Most conspiracy theorists aren't nuts, they just don't trust their government. And why should they? From JFK's assassination to Vietnam to Iran-Contra to the Clinton scandals to Iraq to Wikileaks to the Snowden NSA leaks, what has our government done to engender trust amongst its citizens? We live in a time where our government is becoming more secretive and less transparent about domestic surveillance and our involvement in foreign conflicts. This stuff fuels the flames. If we had an honest government, the majority of conspiracy theorists wouldn't exist.

I don’t care what’s true or not in that thread. I’m just amused at people hanging onto some random guy’s word from 4chan when 4chan loves to troll.

Occam's Razor is dependent upon two theories that are equally supported by evidence. So to give you a hypothetical: There is a debate to go to war in Iraq. The first side says there are WMD's and terrorists there. That same side says Muslims hate us for our freedom. Let's assume that the first side has hordes of intelligence validating their hypothesis. The second side says the war is about oil and making our leaders and their friends rich. The first side labels the second side "conspiracy theorists".

My point is, in this historical application, how does Occam's Razor account for the first side's evidence being completely manufactured? Occam's Razor doesn't take into account the desire by those in power to manipulate and manufacture evidence to support or oppose a specific policy or action.

If me being naive means not blindly following random posters on 4chan then yes, call me naive.

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I mean for the love of fricking God, you're suggesting the government is capable of pulling this conspiracy off without a hitch.

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All of these were "conspiracy theories" before they were conspiratorial facts...

Operation Paperclip. LINK

MK-Ultra. LINK

Gulf of Tonkin Incident. LINK

Shah of Iran(CIA). LINK

COINTELPRO. LINK

Operation Fast & Furious. LINK

Human Plutonium Injection Experiments. LINK

Intentional Poisoning of Alcohol During Prohibition. LINK

McCollum Memo
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Factor VIII
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Here is an exellent timeline of all the bullshite our goverment has done. Most, if not all of this, can be verified by laying eyes on the governments own documents that they themselves released. DUH.

Oh, and, the Manhattan Project. Literally thousands of people worked on it all throughout the country and an entire city was built for it and other than a few isolated reports that never made front page news(and were likely called "conspiracy theorists, wearers of tinfoil hats, etc") none was the wiser.

Occam's razor isn't flawless, and I said it accounts for most conspiracy theories, but not all.

I tend to think many government conspiracies are better classified as opportunists. I think 9/11 was a legitimate terrorist attack, leading to the war in Afghanistan. The war in Iraq was an opportunity.

Take the Vegas shooting - what is the endgame there? People will fuss about gun control for a week and then everyone moves on to the next thing. Sandy Hook too.

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Again I’m not suggesting conspiracy theories haven’t been proven true, what I’m saying is that just because some guy on 4chan says John Legend is part of some program doesn’t make it true and some of the blind followers over there will believe anything some guy with the screename of Goatfricker posts.

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But of course. Thats not even an argument.

In everything, there are people who take it to an extreme.

Me personally? Im a skeptic. Especially when it comes to governments. They have a terrible track record. The greatest damages done to humanity have always come at the hands of governments. The very nature of the institution propels societies sociopaths through it hierarchies.