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Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:37 pm to 225bred
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sheep.
I love how you loons use this term all of the time.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:40 pm to notiger1997
Especially since most of these people are not coming up with these theories on their own. They just parrot YouTube videos, which makes them their own special kind of sheep.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:41 pm to notiger1997
the real humor is in the irony of y’all who laugh at it but are the definition of it. I pity you folks.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:47 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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I just have to shake my head.
How do people let themselves get so wrapped up into what’s clearly bullshite?
Great thread. I was just discussing this with someone a few days ago.
I think most conspiracy theorists are in it for the excitement. The excitement of discovery and being in the know. I think by and large the problem with most conspiracy theorists is that they aren't looking for the truth. They're just looking for information that fits their narrative. Facts mean nothing. Because facts are, of course, not real facts, they're a part of the conspiracy. So you don't know the actual facts. And there are always standard responses you can expect to hear from them. Like, "you only know what they want you to know" or "so no conspiracies are true then, huh" or "just continue keeping your head in the sand."
I have this crazy way of approaching things. If you present me with a theory, I'm going to ask for evidence. If you have no evidence, or if your evidence is weak, I'm going to dismiss the theory until you produce something substantive.
I skimmed through some of that thread on the poli board. It was mind numbing.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:48 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
My opinion is that conspiracy theorists WANT to believe in them, and will ignore anything that doesn’t feed their biases.
The rational mind is a skeptical mind. Extraordinary claims should require extraordinary proof to be believed.
If someone makes a claim... say JFK was hit by a second shooter from the grassy knoll, your first instinct should be to not believe that. You should require ifefutable, concrete proof that it happened... a bullet or fragment from a second gun, a CLEAR photo or video of the shooter, forensic proof of trajectory from that point... etc.
The last thing you should do is compile every fringe peice of circumstantial and in many cases fraudulent or mistaken evidence and try to peice it all together as a puzzle and then say “there’s just too many weird coocidences, therefore, it must have happened this way”
Apply the scientific method to anything you come across before believing it... ESPECIALLY if you WANT to believe it.
The rational mind is a skeptical mind. Extraordinary claims should require extraordinary proof to be believed.
If someone makes a claim... say JFK was hit by a second shooter from the grassy knoll, your first instinct should be to not believe that. You should require ifefutable, concrete proof that it happened... a bullet or fragment from a second gun, a CLEAR photo or video of the shooter, forensic proof of trajectory from that point... etc.
The last thing you should do is compile every fringe peice of circumstantial and in many cases fraudulent or mistaken evidence and try to peice it all together as a puzzle and then say “there’s just too many weird coocidences, therefore, it must have happened this way”
Apply the scientific method to anything you come across before believing it... ESPECIALLY if you WANT to believe it.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:51 pm to dpd901
I like to ask them these simple questions when they bring up the extreme whacko stuff...
Who did it?
How did they do it?
and why did they do it?
Generally they just want to ask questions and try to get you to prove that the conspiracy didn't happen, where like you are saying, they should be the ones providing proof.
Who did it?
How did they do it?
and why did they do it?
Generally they just want to ask questions and try to get you to prove that the conspiracy didn't happen, where like you are saying, they should be the ones providing proof.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:53 pm to 225bred
Adam Ruins Everything did an episode on conspiracy theories recently. You have to take everything on there with a grain of salt but he talked about a few reasons that our brains are wired to believe in conspiracy theories that make sense.
One was a cognitive bias where when something seems truly random we try to explain it because we don't want it to be random. That's especially true when it makes us scared (see 9/11).
Another was proportionality bias where something that is truly awful gets over scrutinized as opposed to (relatively) less awful things. The example he used was JFK spawning hundreds of conspiracy theories while Reagan's attempted assassination had none because he survived (or Sandy Hook v. any other school shooting).
One was a cognitive bias where when something seems truly random we try to explain it because we don't want it to be random. That's especially true when it makes us scared (see 9/11).
Another was proportionality bias where something that is truly awful gets over scrutinized as opposed to (relatively) less awful things. The example he used was JFK spawning hundreds of conspiracy theories while Reagan's attempted assassination had none because he survived (or Sandy Hook v. any other school shooting).
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:59 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
I really would like to know what the true belivers in that thread are like irl. Are they weirdos that gets put in the corner at work? Are they normalish? Some seem to have an evangelical streak. They believe deep state operatives are giving them coded messages on 4chan or something.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:03 pm to notiger1997
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Generally they just want to ask questions and try to get you to prove that the conspiracy didn't happen, where like you are saying, they should be the ones providing proof.
Reminds me of the TIL I saw on Reddit this week, Hitchens' Razor - "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:04 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Dismissing every conspiracy theory is as bad as believing every single one.
Remember Gulf of Tonkin
Remember Operation Northwoods
Remember the NSA
Info just came out about the former president protecting Hezbollah, a terrorist group, and no MSM has reported about it.
There’s tons of examples of corruption and collusion all over the US right now.
-Clinton and the DNC worked together to screw over Bernie Sanders.
-YouTube, Google, and Facebook all actively censor right-leaning people.
-Russia-Trump allegations whether they’re true or not is a conspiracy.
There’s loons out there but the majority are just normal people who would rather question everything instead of taking it at face value and is that really such a bad thing?
The fact that so many people would get angry over 9/11 “truthers” or people who question the facts about Sandy Hook proves how conditioned most people are to react aversely to any conspiracy theory and to reject anyone’s attempt to seek more information.
ETA: lol at the instant downvote
Remember Gulf of Tonkin
Remember Operation Northwoods
Remember the NSA
Info just came out about the former president protecting Hezbollah, a terrorist group, and no MSM has reported about it.
There’s tons of examples of corruption and collusion all over the US right now.
-Clinton and the DNC worked together to screw over Bernie Sanders.
-YouTube, Google, and Facebook all actively censor right-leaning people.
-Russia-Trump allegations whether they’re true or not is a conspiracy.
There’s loons out there but the majority are just normal people who would rather question everything instead of taking it at face value and is that really such a bad thing?
The fact that so many people would get angry over 9/11 “truthers” or people who question the facts about Sandy Hook proves how conditioned most people are to react aversely to any conspiracy theory and to reject anyone’s attempt to seek more information.
ETA: lol at the instant downvote
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:04 pm to BOSCEAUX
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Let’s be honest, the Las Vegas mass shooting is frickey in many ways. No resolution as far as motive and it’s just disappeared from the media.
Or, you know, there’s tons of lawsuits flying around and you’ll find out more in discovery.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:07 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
While it's not a conspiracy theory, I've wondered if the lack of details with regards to Vegas has been part of an effort to give less coverage to those types of events to try to prevent it from inspiring other psychos.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:07 pm to rmnldr
I don’t disagree that the CIA runs some covert programs, but that’s quite different than running around on 4chan and calling everyone patriots because some anonymous troll posted about a fanciful dream they had.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:16 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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I don’t disagree that the CIA runs some covert programs
And they still do today and it’s withheld from the American people. Some of it is bad for the American populace. It’s not a leap of faith to claim that.
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but that’s quite different than running around on 4chan and calling everyone patriots because some anonymous troll posted about a fanciful dream they had
Are you talking about the Q thread? No one knows who Q is or what they’re doing but there’s coincidences in all of the stuff he posts. A lot in that thread are skeptical over it but do want to believe that government corruption is being crushed and that bad actors are being put away.
To deny that there is a human trafficking ring and that there are human rights violations taking place due to, because of, and by some “elite” people would be ignorant. To ignore that the Obama administration did a lot of shady shite that hurt the American people (like Fast and Furious) would also be ignorant.
People just want to see justice served pippin hot like some grille nutt.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:17 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Yeah there is a huge difference between having a healthy sense of skepticism and trying to find all the facts and people who immediately believe there is a conspiracy behind every tragedy even when it means ditching the facts all together.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:24 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
I don't really have one, but Obama is a Muslim. 
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:25 pm to Pecker
That thread has gone a bit far on a couple of fronts, but to the extent it is documenting whatever is going on at the chan boards regarding alleged indictments/roundup of the so-called deep state is some great conspiracy porn. I look at it as an entertaining way to connect some of the dots of events around the globe.
I just ask that people be consistent on this stuff and not only be into conspiracies when it supports their politics. I thought there was a lot of stinky shite with 9/11, neocons, and the war on terror that left-leaning people tended to be pointing out at the time. Now, it's mainly the Trump brigade pointing back at Hillary, and these theories sound and read like a lot of things said during Dubya's time in office.
I just ask that people be consistent on this stuff and not only be into conspiracies when it supports their politics. I thought there was a lot of stinky shite with 9/11, neocons, and the war on terror that left-leaning people tended to be pointing out at the time. Now, it's mainly the Trump brigade pointing back at Hillary, and these theories sound and read like a lot of things said during Dubya's time in office.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:26 pm to Bunk Moreland
Thread has not gone the way OP had hoped. Maybe that's a conspiracy.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:30 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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What is your opinion of conspiracy theorists?
I dont believe they exist
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