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re: What is the most well made factory car in the world?
Posted on 5/30/16 at 10:08 pm to NWarty
Posted on 5/30/16 at 10:08 pm to NWarty
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But does your Camry have one or more of these? :
This may surprise some of you but Camry's don't come standard with dents in the rear bumper corners like that. They did for a long period (after 1996) come standard with atrocious build quality, cheap/fragile interior trim, low rent designs, and some of the most uncomfortable seats I've ever come across. It's not surprising that the Toyota Camry (and similar Lexus ES) was one of the last cars in the US to have cassette tape decks as an option.
I still get stuck with a Camry rental at least once a month. They are much better today, but still overrated as a whole with design quality that is the bottom of the barrel. It seems like Toyota built the Camry's reputation on excellent product....then around 1996 decided to just start phoning it in.
Outside of the compact crossover segment, the only way for a manufacturer to get away with such little design effort and still sell cars is if the manufacturer is Toyota and the car is a Camry.
I'd avoid Toyota unless you want a 4Runner....which is basically by itself in mid sized body on frame SUV market. They generally make sturdy trucks.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 10:10 pm
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 10:31 pm to motorbreath
From powerplant, mechanical integrity to interior quality, door handles, seat stitching, roof liners and knobs and gauges...stuff like that - Porsche
They build high quality cars, and refinement has always been Porsche's trademark.
On a more practical scale, Honda and Toyota along with Nissans are great. Reliable powerplants and transmissions are the Japanese' claim to fame. Interior durability is average.
They build high quality cars, and refinement has always been Porsche's trademark.
On a more practical scale, Honda and Toyota along with Nissans are great. Reliable powerplants and transmissions are the Japanese' claim to fame. Interior durability is average.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 11:05 pm to member12
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W126 Mercedes Benz.
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 6:50 am
Posted on 5/30/16 at 11:18 pm to Barf
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What criteria are we using?
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most well made factory car in the world
Looking back to my previous response, I can see there's more room for interpretation than I considered initially. The answer is impossible without more information from which to weigh "well made." My first response really only considered my opinion of current manufacturers and their reliability.
If that's the criteria, I'd say Subaru is tops, Toyota number 2, and Honda a former 2B with Toyota but now 3rd. None of the Euro automakers can proclaim long term reliability besides maybe VW with their TDI's but those should be thrown out just because of the uncertainty of their emissions testing. IMO, Nissan and Mazda are shadows of their former selves under Renault and Ford respectively. The jury is still out on Hyundai and Kia which leaves the domestics. Ford and GM have a recent history of being better at their use niches' rather than actually being reliability leaders. Just my opinion based on the research I've done in buying vehicles I own and the anecdotal evidence I have from friends and family with vehicles different than mine. Clearly, situational value and functionality could change my decision on what I might buy but just on an automaker's ability to make a vehicle that lasts, I think I've given a pretty accurate assessment.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 11:21 pm to TSLG
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I just bought a 90 420sel last week. It seems like a very solid car.
Nice!
Post pics.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:06 am to member12
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This may surprise some of you but Camry's don't come standard with dents in the rear bumper corners like that.
Just busting your chops
There's an entire thread dedicated to "The Camry Dent" over at the Car Lounge:
The Official Camry Dent Registry Thread
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:23 am to member12
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Yeah we are about to get rid of our Accord. Only 60,000 miles and the transmission is on the way out. This was our first Honda and I'm honestly not impressed at all. It's still way less problematic than our Toyota Camrys were. That's not saying much though.
So you're saying you've owned an Accord with transmission problems at 60k miles and multiple Camry's with more problems than that. That basically means you've owned at least 3 of the most reliable cars in the world and have had major issues with all of them before 60k miles. I wouldn't expect that from a loyal Pinto buyer. Do you even oil change bro?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:32 am to Canard Noir
I follow the maintenance guidelines to the letter and normally get 150,000-200,000 miles out of my vehicles before selling them. It took a lot more expensive repairs and a lot more downtime to keep the Camrys on the road after 5-6 years than it should have.
It may not the worst car I've ever had, but I wouldn't buy another one.
It may not the worst car I've ever had, but I wouldn't buy another one.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 12:57 am
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:39 am to Canard Noir
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So you're saying you've owned an Accord with transmission problems at 60k miles and multiple Camry's with more problems than that. That basically means you've owned at least 3 of the most reliable cars in the world and have had major issues with all of them before 60k miles. I wouldn't expect that from a loyal Pinto buyer. Do you even oil change bro?
I will support the camry being up there on reliability, my buddy drove one to a little over 400k before a crawfish pond crossing officially killed it.
But if his accord is a V6, it probably does have transmission issues. Those are either indestructible or made of wet tissue paper. There is no in between.
They really should just buy their transmissions from aisin.
I want to add another vehicle to the list, the 4.7 powered sequoia/tundra.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 1:50 am to auggie
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I have a 1991 Isuzu trooper,that has 325,000 miles on it. The only repair has been a $15 Idler pulley.
It has a 2.8liter Chevy V6,Asaan 5speed auto transmission, and axles (same as Toyota uses),New Process transfer case.
It doesn't use any oil to this day,and the transmission shifts like a new one and that has never been serviced.
I call BS on this one. There is no car that burns zero oil even when new. Now it may be such a small amount it is impossible to measure. With 325k? Come on man...
Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:54 am to motorbreath
Anything Toyota. There is a reason that they have the best resale value in the world.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 6:49 am to Canard Noir
......and, what a spot on assessment. I am a lesbian.
Ftr: I drive a WRX. Company ride.
Ftr: I drive a WRX. Company ride.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 6:53 am
Posted on 5/31/16 at 6:52 am to VetteGuy
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American cars weren't fantastic in 78, but they weren't rusting right away or burning oil after 50K.
Well...not just burning oil...at least if you bought a '78 Pinto.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 7:46 am to Corch Urban Myers
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There is a reason that they have the best resale value in the world.
Good cars, Coach, but you have to admit they are resting on their laurels quality-wise.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 7:47 am to NWarty
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"The Camry Dent"
Posted on 5/31/16 at 7:55 am to motorbreath
Toyota hilux
Land cruiser
Land cruiser
Posted on 5/31/16 at 9:29 am to NoBoBullDog
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The Merc GWagon is a compete shitbox.
I've never driven one of the luxury models they sell here in the states, but the stripped down classics from the 80s are great.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 9:55 am to motorbreath
People don't want the most well made cars, they want new ones with the latest gadgets. The world was filling up junkyards with well made cars so they started making parts of vehicles more disposable. Nothing wrong with that, but you'll just have to keep changing those parts of you are strange and actually want to keep the vehicle for a while.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:17 am to Canard Noir
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IMO, Nissan and Mazda are shadows of their former selves under Renault and Ford respectively.
I was going to correct you and say that Nissan owns Renault...then I looked it up. From all the press Nissan gets I just assumed they had the controlling stake in Renault, not the other way around.
Mazda is out from underneath Ford for good, though. Their current cars are 100% Mazda and are better for it.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 10:18 am
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:34 am to Canard Noir
I was mainly talking about under the hood, brakes, drive train. A car that is well built and every part is high quality.
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