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Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:40 am to bayoubengals88
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Any other Christians feel increasingly silly for pledging allegiance to one's country? I've been feeling this way for a while.
really? Whens the last time you actually did it?
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:40 am to Mohican
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This really is a dishonest argument.
Argument? It was a genuine question since that poster brought it up. I was genuinely curious if it was a regular occurrence as I've never been anywhere where it has happened.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:45 am to BossBailey345
because you might hurt some feelings if you don't
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:47 am to Mohican
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It’s not a social norm to stand if you’re watching a broadcast of the event.
It's not even "required" per the flag code. It's only for those that are present. I wouldn't qualify watching a broadcast as being present for the anthem. I think it would apply to only those physically present.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:48 am to The Spleen
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Argument? It was a genuine question since that poster brought it up. I was genuinely curious if it was a regular occurrence as I've never been anywhere where it has happened.
No. It’s not expected. When the announcer says, “Please rise for our national anthem” he’s referring to the people in attendance.
I think it’s interesting how we’re talking about the difference in the costs of simply standing up, a physical act that expends about 3 calories, versus not standing as a means of protest.
There is a physical cost in standing versus a social cost of presenting yourself outside the social norm in protest of the group.
It’s an interesting cost/benefit analysis for the individual.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:48 am to BossBailey345
It’s the least you can do to be a piece of this great country. If you can’t stand up for 2 min with your fellow Americans, then you are a piece of shite. Just being born here gives you so many opportunities others would literally die to pass off to their children.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:48 am to BossBailey345
Stfu
Show some respect
Quit being a fricking loser your entire life
Show some respect
Quit being a fricking loser your entire life
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:49 am to BossBailey345
There were people at the bar basically yelling at others to remove their hats... for AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL. Tards didn't even realize it wasn't the anthem. Then they demanded people remove them for the anthem. I'm sorry but a grown man shouldn't tell another grown man what to do. Why does it diminish your patriotism because of what someone else is/isn't doing?
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:53 am to Dam Guide
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And I do, not because of some obligation or because of people that died for it, but because of what I believe it means and the foundation laid by the creators of the country.
You'd think if a pledge or national anthem were important to the founders of our country, we'd have had a pledge/anthem before nationalism started gaining strength in 1930s Germany.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:54 am to southpawcock
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There were people at the bar basically yelling at others to remove their hats... for AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL. Tards didn't even realize it wasn't the anthem. Then they demanded people remove them for the anthem. I'm sorry but a grown man shouldn't tell another grown man what to do. Why does it diminish your patriotism because of what someone else is/isn't doing?
Whether it should or shouldn’t is a philosophical question.
But if you plan on being a part of society, or a group within a society, there are consequences for not complying with social norms.
“When in Rome do as the Romans do.”
If I’m in a bar in the Deep South and everyone is standing for the Anthem, I’ll prolly just go ahead and stand up.
This post was edited on 2/4/20 at 9:55 am
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:55 am to Mohican
I was standing, and I removed my hat. But I didn't remove it for America The Beautiful.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:59 am to Mohican
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think it’s interesting how we’re talking about the difference in the costs of simply standing up, a physical act that expends about 3 calories, versus not standing as a means of protest.
I guess maybe it's the contrarian in me, but not wanting to stand isn't about the physical act of it, but more just a rejection of societal pressure to do so. Like I said in my first post, I do always stand when I'm in public because I don't like drawing attention to myself, but I think the act of it is just kind of silly.
I just feel like many of the people standing only do so because it's expected of them. I don't think that makes them bad Americans or unpatriotic.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:03 am to BossBailey345
Champ Bailey was the best Bailey
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:03 am to BossBailey345
Do you really need someone to explain this to you?
With that said, while I might not agree with people who decide not to stand (I know I can't stand, blah, blah) or kneel for whatever reason they feel they need to, I respect freedom of speech,
If those who melt down when they see people doing something they consider disrespectful to the flag probably has no idea what the code of the flag says.
The flag isn't supposed to be used for advertisements are printed on items that will be disposed off, but on the 4th of July i see a lot of people drinking from cups, eating off plates, etc, etc that has the American flag printed on it and based on the Flag Code its just as or more disrespectful than someone kneeling for the flag.
With that said, while I might not agree with people who decide not to stand (I know I can't stand, blah, blah) or kneel for whatever reason they feel they need to, I respect freedom of speech,
If those who melt down when they see people doing something they consider disrespectful to the flag probably has no idea what the code of the flag says.
The flag isn't supposed to be used for advertisements are printed on items that will be disposed off, but on the 4th of July i see a lot of people drinking from cups, eating off plates, etc, etc that has the American flag printed on it and based on the Flag Code its just as or more disrespectful than someone kneeling for the flag.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:06 am to Nado Jenkins83
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Champ Bailey was the best Bailey
One of my all time favorite Saints signees
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:07 am to BossBailey345
less likely to stand right after I do my taxes 
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:08 am to The Spleen
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I guess maybe it's the contrarian in me, but not wanting to stand isn't about the physical act of it, but more just a rejection of societal pressure to do so.
At least this makes logical sense. You don’t like societal pressure to conform to anything. I can understand that.
But certainly there’s societal pressure to do lots of things. And it’s actually healthy for society, organizations, or any other group to have traditions to take part in collectively. It promotes unity, identity, commonality, etc. These are good things if you would like cooperation within a group.
But there’s a distinction between what you’re arguing and the reason others don’t stand. Your reasoning has little to do with the country or the flag. Theirs has everything do with it.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:09 am to BossBailey345
To me it's just sad that any American would even question standing for the National Anthem.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:10 am to BossBailey345
1)To show respect for the men and women who risked (and in many instances gave) their lives to protect this nation and its interests.
2)Appreciation to be a citizen or resident of a country that guarantees basic freedoms
3) Appreciate that previous generations of Americans worked hard and sacrificed to create a society as abundant and relatively secure as our own.
4)A promise to attempt the same for future generations of Americans
Tradition is that actually attending an event requires standing, not just watching it on TV.
You absolutely have the right to sit/kneel/whatever. Everyone else absolutely has the right to call you a shitbag for it. It's what makes this country great. Freedom and the responsibility and/or consequences that come with it. Make your own choices and own them.
2)Appreciation to be a citizen or resident of a country that guarantees basic freedoms
3) Appreciate that previous generations of Americans worked hard and sacrificed to create a society as abundant and relatively secure as our own.
4)A promise to attempt the same for future generations of Americans
Tradition is that actually attending an event requires standing, not just watching it on TV.
You absolutely have the right to sit/kneel/whatever. Everyone else absolutely has the right to call you a shitbag for it. It's what makes this country great. Freedom and the responsibility and/or consequences that come with it. Make your own choices and own them.
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