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What if after WW2 we decided to annex Western Europe
Posted on 1/30/18 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 1/30/18 at 3:01 pm
As the Russians did in the East. Would we still control the area?
Posted on 1/30/18 at 3:02 pm to GermantownTiger
Bonus. The French would have been turned into real men
Posted on 1/30/18 at 3:02 pm to GermantownTiger
What if I decided to have the whole box of Fruit Loops with marshmallows instead of just 2 bowls?
What if...
What if...
Posted on 1/30/18 at 3:03 pm to GermantownTiger
I don't even wanna think about all the extra bull shite we'd have to deal with. Y'all bitch about immigrants now? Imagine trying to fold all of western Europe into the American way of life. Hard pass.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 3:03 pm to Bustedsack
It's Froot Loops, you Mandela junkie.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 3:04 pm to GermantownTiger
No. Too many nationalistic factions owned by a country that would theoretically want to support western democracy.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 3:06 pm to GermantownTiger
We'd become like the Nazi's
-Harvey Dent
-Michael Scott
quote:
you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian
-Harvey Dent
-Michael Scott
Posted on 1/30/18 at 3:07 pm to GermantownTiger
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As the Russians did in the East. Would we still control the area?
The Soviet Union didn't annex all of Eastern Europe. They only annexed the Balkans and parts of the caucaus
They set up puppet governments much like we did for much of europe
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 1/30/18 at 3:17 pm to GermantownTiger
We kinda did. We set up bases throughout for stability, and have mined their economy. We just allow them to self govern.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 3:18 pm to Tigeralum2008
I just read a great book on the Berlin airlift that provides a solid back background to the USSR's expansion.
The USSR had been planning for a push west (all the way through France and Italy) before the war began. Lots of clandestine, and not so clandestine support of Communist parties in each country, fabricated agitation against existing government etc. The political structures were so well developed that once the USSR occupied eastern Europe setting up the puppet government was a breeze. That was their intent in Berlin to force out the Rueter led mayorship.
Annexation is not the right word for what we did in western Europe, but if we had wanted to repel the Soviets it would have been bad..
Back home the US populace was extremely war weary, Truman struggled to get a commitment to even fund parts of reconstruction in Europe for fear of angering the Soviets. If the US decided Europe needed a little Manifest Destiny, they would have gone head to head with an entrenched, veteran Soviet Army content to win by a war of attrition. Britain was broke, France was France, and Germany still needed to be occupied lest guerrilla forces take up arms (a very real concern in 1945-48).
The only way to beat the Soviets would have been to nuke them into oblivion, which in turn would eliminate America's "moral mandate" to establish governments throughout Europe, forcing us to govern the place by force.
To annex
The USSR had been planning for a push west (all the way through France and Italy) before the war began. Lots of clandestine, and not so clandestine support of Communist parties in each country, fabricated agitation against existing government etc. The political structures were so well developed that once the USSR occupied eastern Europe setting up the puppet government was a breeze. That was their intent in Berlin to force out the Rueter led mayorship.
Annexation is not the right word for what we did in western Europe, but if we had wanted to repel the Soviets it would have been bad..
Back home the US populace was extremely war weary, Truman struggled to get a commitment to even fund parts of reconstruction in Europe for fear of angering the Soviets. If the US decided Europe needed a little Manifest Destiny, they would have gone head to head with an entrenched, veteran Soviet Army content to win by a war of attrition. Britain was broke, France was France, and Germany still needed to be occupied lest guerrilla forces take up arms (a very real concern in 1945-48).
The only way to beat the Soviets would have been to nuke them into oblivion, which in turn would eliminate America's "moral mandate" to establish governments throughout Europe, forcing us to govern the place by force.
To annex
Posted on 1/30/18 at 3:22 pm to GermantownTiger
Who said we didn't? We still have a major military presence in Germany, Italy and Great Britain.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 3:25 pm to jlovel7
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Y'all bitch about immigrants now? Imagine trying to fold all of western Europe into the American way of life
European peoples tend to assimilate into American society Easier because they are already from western societies
Posted on 1/30/18 at 3:51 pm to GermantownTiger
They’d all vote Democrat and the Muslim flood would be sweeping over the 48 states now
Posted on 1/30/18 at 4:09 pm to GermantownTiger
If the government had listened to Patton instead of assassinate him we would all be better off.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 4:28 pm to KiwiHead
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We still have a major military presence
We still have a major military presence in Cuba, so did we annex Cuba too?
Having a base somewhere is not the same as annexing a country.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 4:31 pm to GermantownTiger
Should have dropped a nuke on Moscow while we had the upper hand with the bomb.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 4:37 pm to GermantownTiger
quote:
As the Russians did in the East. Would we still control the area?
Well they had the Warsaw Pact and we had NATO.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 4:40 pm to jlovel7
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Y'all bitch about immigrants now?
Well, there was already a wall in Berlin at least.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 4:42 pm to doubleb
We occupied Great Britain with our bombers about 10,000 personnel, Germany with our bombers and army about 35,000 right now. Italy about 13,000 air force and naval.
In Cuba we have about 800
If you want to speak of real occupation, look at Japan we still have 45,000 stationed there mostly in Okinawa, but we have a sizeable amount at Yokahama
In Cuba we have about 800
If you want to speak of real occupation, look at Japan we still have 45,000 stationed there mostly in Okinawa, but we have a sizeable amount at Yokahama
Posted on 1/30/18 at 4:49 pm to GermantownTiger
It would’ve ended in a worse war than WWII, that is if we didn’t blow multiple Soviet cities off the face of the earth. Which, we would’ve done, our morals be damned and the world probably is a better place for it. Probably would’ve gotten in a war with China as well.
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