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re: What % of LSU students are equally as intelligent as the average Ivy League student?
Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:49 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:49 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Deloitte, KPMG, PWC, and EY directly recruit from the large majority of SEC schools.
They recruit regionally for the most part.
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Some of the specific advisory areas are tougher to get into than others, but nothing that mandates an Ivy League education.
It's not a requirement, but look at the M&A practice at all of those firms New York offices. It will be staffed heavily from places like Penn, Boston U, etc.
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Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:50 am to CharlesLSU
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i mean a career aimed at making $1million+ per year as a partner and rockstar pension..... know how I know you don't know jack shite about Big 4?
I'd really like to see how narrow the funnel is on that career path.
Not passing judgment, here. I went to high school with a guy who did it, and I know of another partner who went to USM a few years before me.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:51 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
...yeah.....I did see where you do actually know something along the big 4 lines.
BUT, the ITS and advisory groups are academic heavy with schools like Rice, Michigan, UT, Cornell, aTm, and a sprinkling of others (i.e. LSU, TTech, etc.).
Thing is, Big 4 and investment banking is a bit like apples and oranges.
That said, I do agree Ivy is heavy HF and IB, but stars at Big 4 can easily go north of $1million by early 40s. Granted, that does take intelligence and sacrificing family life.
BUT, the ITS and advisory groups are academic heavy with schools like Rice, Michigan, UT, Cornell, aTm, and a sprinkling of others (i.e. LSU, TTech, etc.).
Thing is, Big 4 and investment banking is a bit like apples and oranges.
That said, I do agree Ivy is heavy HF and IB, but stars at Big 4 can easily go north of $1million by early 40s. Granted, that does take intelligence and sacrificing family life.
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 11:55 am
Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:51 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Imagine going to an Ivy League school just to end up working for one of the Big 4
What's wrong with that?
Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:52 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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They’re looking for people willing to dedicate themselves to the course load.
I don't even believe this. They have tremendous grade inflation and it's almost impossible to fail out. Once you get accepted, you are there to stay.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:54 am to Mo Jeaux
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What's wrong with that?
Well, you have to kind of lie on your admissions essay and say you want to change the world to get in. Then, I guess you get to the line of scrimmage, call an audible, and just decide to try and make a lot of money grinding away at accounting / consulting.
IDK... seems like a lot of work.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:54 am to Mingo Was His NameO
I'd say top 25-30%. The difference is the work ethic ahead of time. Lot of smart people do not go above and beyond in HS to go to Ivy leagues.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 11:59 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:All of the offices do.
They recruit regionally for the most part.
quote:So you mean they also recruit regionally
It's not a requirement, but look at the M&A practice at all of those firms New York offices. It will be staffed heavily from places like Penn, Boston U, etc.
I'm just messing with ya. I know what you are saying. To get into those niche specific high earnings roles within the Big 4 an Ivy League degree definitely helps.
But yes. It 100% isn't a requirement for most of the offices around the US, and getting into the Big 4 outside of M&A advisory and a couple other niche roles isn't that tough.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 12:03 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
My girlfriend has a masters from Stanford. Not Ivy League but nothing to sneeze at. She’s a brilliant woman with zero common sense. She’s also been unemployed since Covid began.
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 6/1/21 at 12:05 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Probably around top 5 to 10 percent, but maybe more since Ivy League schools care more about diversity stats than taking the highest quality students.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 12:12 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:We aren't on different sides of this. That's 100% correct. It's just that those schools aren't Ivy League. You still need to go to a good school, work hard, and everything. There just isn't that Ivy League glass barrier that keeps you out of it like many of the HF and IB jobs.
BUT, the ITS and advisory groups are academic heavy with schools like Rice, Michigan, UT, Cornell, aTm, and a sprinkling of others (i.e. LSU, TTech, etc.).
quote:For sure. I've personally seen the sacrifice it takes. It reminds me of the scene in The Avengers when Thanos finally gets what he wants, but he admits it costed him everything.
Big 4 can easily go north of $1million by early 40s. Granted, that does take intelligence and sacrificing family life.
There's nothing wrong with going from Ivy League to Big 4. But to do it you have to give up so much. Like Mingo said, to get into Ivy League you have to sacrifice your High School years, and a decent bit of your College years. And then once you get into Big 4, you are constantly sacrificing everything. My point was outside of a select few positions, you don't need to do that and can still get where you want to be.
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 6/1/21 at 12:13 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
LSU 12%
Louisiana 18%
Louisiana 18%
Posted on 6/1/21 at 12:17 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I played sports and hunted and drank.
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Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 6/1/21 at 12:18 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Don't conflate intelligence with "could be admitted to an Ivy League school."
You have to define “intelligence” somehow, though.
Google tells me that the top 25% of students admitted to LSU have ACT scores of 29 or higher. Google also tells me that the top 75% of students admitted to Ivy League schools have ACT scores of ~31 or higher. So let’s say for the sake of simplicity that the number for both is ~30, meaning ~25% of LSU students would make it into the top 75% of Ivy League students, at least in terms of standardized test scores.
Now, there are considerably more LSU students who would potentially fall into the bottom 25% in the Ivy League. But 1) those students tested considerably worse than the “average” Ivy League student and 2) there likely aren’t a ton of LSU students from that pool who could realistically get in with low test scores.
Also, some amount of those top 25% at LSU would probably not be accepted in the Ivy League either. But it’s hard to say what that number is. My best guess without having actual histograms is that something like 5% of LSU have test scores higher than Ivy League medians, compared to the ~25% who would at least fall within the middle 50% in the Ivy League.
So yeah, this statement..
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I think probably the top 20 percent are of comparable intelligence to the average Ivy League student, and probably slightly more could make it academically there if admitted.
..is probably pretty close, even though “comparable intelligence” is kind of hard to define.
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 6/1/21 at 12:19 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I know some people in engineering and physics that were smarter than average ivy league political studies grad
Posted on 6/1/21 at 12:21 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Well I’ll always side with common sense instead of book sense..... almost ALL Ivy League school goers are as dumb as a bucket of snot as far as personality goes.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 12:27 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Lots of Ivy league is just connections.
I turned down multiple Ivy's for athletics.
No athletic money and if parents above certain income no assistance.
I went the Science/Engineering route so didn't matter IVY vs State School.
I turned down multiple Ivy's for athletics.
No athletic money and if parents above certain income no assistance.
I went the Science/Engineering route so didn't matter IVY vs State School.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 12:32 pm to Privateer 2007
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I went the Science/Engineering route so didn't matter IVY vs State School.
Well that can't be farther from the truth
Posted on 6/1/21 at 12:33 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I also know some dumb Ivy League grads.
Lulz. Do you really believe this shite? Nobody that attended an Ivy League school is “dumb.”
Posted on 6/1/21 at 12:34 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Here's a far more important question from a societal point of view: How many are equally liberal?
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