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re: What % of LSU students are equally as intelligent as the average Ivy League student?
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:00 pm to OLDBEACHCOMBER
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:00 pm to OLDBEACHCOMBER
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Salary wasn't the question. Ivy league students continuously embarrass their schools when questioned on the campuses. They often can't answer 5th grader questions. That should not happen even once.
Subject matter expertise wasn't the question either.
Most "5th grader" questions are subject matter expertise questions and have nothing to do with intelligence. If they routinely missed IQ-type questions the majority of 5th-grade students got correct it would indicate a an intelligence problem.
If a person can't tell me who invented the lightbulb but can sit down and recreate the proof of the 4 color theorem or N-group theorem I am not going to question their intelligence I will just note they are ignorant of a fairly common bit of historical knowledge.
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Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:16 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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For example, children whose parents are in the top 1% of the income distribution are 77 times more likely to attend an Ivy League college than those whose parents are in the bottom income quintile.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:16 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
The top at LSU could for sure make it with the bottom to mid-tier Ivy League student. The top of the Ivy League though are simply on a different level.
My brother in law is an MIT grad and working on his doctorate at Stanford. He's a math guy through and through, but his ability to read about non-math things and retain that knowledge is simply outstanding. The ability to retain general knowledge is what is really special about the top of the top of intellectuals, and why the curriculum at Ivy League schools is so difficult even for those that can test well.
My brother in law is an MIT grad and working on his doctorate at Stanford. He's a math guy through and through, but his ability to read about non-math things and retain that knowledge is simply outstanding. The ability to retain general knowledge is what is really special about the top of the top of intellectuals, and why the curriculum at Ivy League schools is so difficult even for those that can test well.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:26 pm to lionward2014
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My brother in law is an MIT grad and working on his doctorate at Stanford.
I don't think MIT and Stanford have prostituted themselves as much as the Ivy League schools.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:55 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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don't think MIT and Stanford have prostituted themselves as much as the Ivy League schools.
The term “Ivy League” is simple an athletic conference. Stanford, MIT and the like are on par academically. It really comes down to what you are studying.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:00 pm to kciDAtaE
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The term “Ivy League” is simple an athletic conference. Stanford, MIT and the like are on par academically. It really comes down to what you are studying.
No shite.
But the Ivy League schools are setting the bar with diversity admits and curriculum deterioration.
I am speaking specifically of Ivy League schools.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:01 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
This would be hard to say.
Students getting into both schools with lower scores because of race or gender.
Plus a person that chooses LSU, possibly their instate school with tops, to do petroleum engineering has more sense than the person who goes to ivy league for gender studies.
Students getting into both schools with lower scores because of race or gender.
Plus a person that chooses LSU, possibly their instate school with tops, to do petroleum engineering has more sense than the person who goes to ivy league for gender studies.
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:05 pm to dgnx6
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Plus a person that chooses LSU, possibly their instate school with tops, to do petroleum engineering has more sense than the person who goes to ivy league for gender studies
As someone who did this I’m going to disagree with you a bit
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:05 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I think you have the numbers twisted around.
I think that there is a small percentage of a percent at the top of the more middling large state schools that could compete with upper echelons of ivy league schools for the most part (not the super genius freaks sections). Then a solid couple percentage that could have done well enough there but not really been at the tip top for whatever reason (drive, intelligence).
Probably another section that has the intelligence to have done well enough on intelligence but not the drive or work ethic to actually compete in ivy league school.
Those groups may make up like 10% of the student body at a lot of these middle ranked state schools. Maybe double it or so for the better state schools in the region.
Then you probably have another 10% or 15% that are about at the level of people who get in but just sort of get by at those higher quality schools.
I'm just making all of those percents up but you get the picture.
I think that there is a small percentage of a percent at the top of the more middling large state schools that could compete with upper echelons of ivy league schools for the most part (not the super genius freaks sections). Then a solid couple percentage that could have done well enough there but not really been at the tip top for whatever reason (drive, intelligence).
Probably another section that has the intelligence to have done well enough on intelligence but not the drive or work ethic to actually compete in ivy league school.
Those groups may make up like 10% of the student body at a lot of these middle ranked state schools. Maybe double it or so for the better state schools in the region.
Then you probably have another 10% or 15% that are about at the level of people who get in but just sort of get by at those higher quality schools.
I'm just making all of those percents up but you get the picture.
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:15 pm to dgnx6
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Plus a person that chooses LSU, possibly their instate school with tops, to do petroleum engineering has more sense than the person who goes to ivy league for gender studies.
Im not sure you could have picked a worse major to compare to. A lot of petroleum engineers can get jobs after school or are the first laid off in the inevitable 10 year oil cycle.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:25 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Anyone in the honors college for sure
Posted on 6/1/21 at 4:32 pm to kciDAtaE
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For example, children whose parents are in the top 1% of the income distribution are 77 times more likely to attend an Ivy League college than those whose parents are in the bottom income quintile.
Comparing the top 1% to the bottom quintile is a little ridiculous. Mean income for the bottom quintile is $15k/year... for a household. That’s like $7/hr for a single income family at 40 hours a week. Basically one full time minimum wage income.
Meanwhile the top 1% starts at roughly $540k with a mean of $1.7MM.
In other words, this statement is basically like saying “children of surgeons, investment bankers, and CEO’s are 77x more likely to attend an Ivy League college than children of gas station attendants and fast food workers.”
To which I would say.. no shite.
I don’t imagine many of those career fry cooks are geniuses themselves, so why would anyone expect that out of their kids?This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 6/1/21 at 4:48 pm to lostinbr
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In other words, this statement is basically like saying “children of surgeons, investment bankers, and CEO’s are 77x more likely to attend an Ivy League college than children of gas station attendants and fast food workers.”
Lol. I'm honestly surprised that the gap is only 77x
Posted on 6/1/21 at 5:01 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Today it’s a lot more than it used to be. Affirmative action is dumbing down all campuses.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 5:02 pm to Obtuse1
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If a person can't tell me who invented the lightbulb but can sit down and recreate the proof of the 4 color theorem or N-group theorem I am not going to question their intelligence I will just note they are ignorant of a fairly common bit of historical knowledge.
And I would argue ignorance is a far more egregious crime than lack of intelligence when it comes to our education system.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 5:03 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I went to LSU and an Ivy for grad school. My observations were that the top 5 in my class at LSU could hang with the top at the Ivy. Also, the bottom 5 in my Ivy were almost as worthless as the bottom at LSU.
The difference I noticed was the fat middle part of the distribution... the kids in Ivy were just smarter and cared a lot more than my LSU cohort. I found the Ivy curriculum more intellectually challenging and broad. But they also weren't distracted by football.
The difference I noticed was the fat middle part of the distribution... the kids in Ivy were just smarter and cared a lot more than my LSU cohort. I found the Ivy curriculum more intellectually challenging and broad. But they also weren't distracted by football.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 5:09 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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graduated high school with
WTF, you graduated high school???!!!??
Posted on 6/1/21 at 5:09 pm to tigercross
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Yep, Google, Facebook, Apple, Netflix, et al are beating down the door to hire LSU grads. Their tables are right next to Baker Hughes and Halliburton at the career fair.
Microsoft and IBM used to do interviews at LSU back in the day; I'd be surprised if the tech biggies don't at least send someone down once a semester or so.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 5:10 pm to baobabtiger
Attended graduate school at LSU with four people who had Ivy League undergrad degrees. 1 Harvard, 2 Yale and 1 Cornell. None were in the Top 20 (of whom 17 attended LSU as undergraduates. ). I have met several since then in the business world. I agree that the very top 2-3% of Ivy League graduates are on another level and very few LSU graduates are comparable, however, the bulk of their graduates are not any smarter than the bulk of LSU or any other SEC school for that matter. Ivy League graduates make more right out of school, but that is due to hiring based upon school reputation. I work for a publicly traded company and have seen first hand several Ivy Leaguers be out performed by graduates of public universities (including LSU).
Posted on 6/1/21 at 5:13 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Higher than most people would think.
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