re: Welp. Looks like Polio is back on the menu.

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Is J&J and Novavax not ok?

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J&J and Novavax are not the same. You are getting a known quantity of antigen with Novavax. J&J just uses a different delivery system (adenovirus) than the mRNA vaccines to get your cells to encode the spiked protein antigen.

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It's funny I posted 2 studies. You've latched onto 1. So far I've posted 2 studies that met the criteria to prove aerosol contagion and both failed in making people sick. You've gone overboard attacking one of those studies. You have posted 0 studies that met the criteria to prove aerosol contagion and succeeded, because none exist. I wish I could attack them.

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I honestly didn't read the other one because I was amazed that you actually posted the Rosenau study unironically. It made me laugh so hard that I was buoyant through the night shift. I couldn't believe you had actually thought it proved anything. My god, if someone referenced that on rounds as their proof for the denial of germ theory, they'd get they arse spanked. Let me go read the other one, lol.

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I get the sense that this is the real objection to Pfizer & Moderna vaccines, not mRNA technology which is often the stated/rationalized objection.

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You mean, when people are threatened and coerced into injecting it into their bodies, then yeah. Free people don’t usually react very well to threats and coercion. That being said, it’s also the fact that mRNA is relatively new science that’s never been used before on humans, very little testing went into it, and did nothing to stop the virus from spreading or mutating. People who were fully vaccinated were still spreading the virus to others, so it failed in it’s objectives, but that didn’t stop people from screaming and threatening people who didn’t get the vaccine, saying it was their fault, when in reality the mRNA vaccines did not do a damn thing to stop the spread. The long term effects are still unknown, but I can certainly understand the apprehension to getting that jab.

Truth be known, this became political the moment the political fear machine got cranking and divided Americans on something that should never have been a political issue, but lumped with putting fabric over people’s faces that did absolutely nothing to stop the spread, and shutting down churches, businesses, and the like, as well as shutting down our economy and life, then it’s clear to me that this whole thing was bumfuzzled right out the gates, and then doubled down upon time and time again. It’s now a part of our politics, and you can blame those in Washington who made that so, namely the present administration, as if there’s an end to their bumfuzzling of everything under the sun.

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Welp. Looks like Polio is back on the menu.

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That is what happens when people stop getting the polio vaccine.

Find me the studies or shut the frick up and confront that you have no scientific proof whatsoever of the concept of human airborn contagion mr genius doctor

A very simple study. Very simple. 100 years to show it. It makes no sense. Face it.

Oh my fricking god. Here's the first link you posted. LINK

Here's the second link. LINK

The first link says that

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Perhaps the most interesting epidemiological studies conducted during the 1918-1919 pandemic were the human experiments conducted by the Public Health Service and the U.S. Navy under the supervision of Milton Rosenau on Gallops Island, the quarantine station in Boston Harbor, and on Angel Island, its counterpart in San Francisco.

The experiment began with 100 volunteers from the Navy who had no history of influenza. Rosenau was the first to report on the experiments conducted at Gallops Island in November and December 1918. His first volunteers received first one strain and then several strains of Pfeiffer bacillus by spray and swab into their noses and throats and then into their eyes.

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Both Deer and Gallops Islands are in Boston Harbor. The second link says this.

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An experiment done at the Naval Training Station on Deer Island in Boston Harbor. Sailors who were in the Navy’s jail were offered amnesty from their prison sentences if they agreed to partake in an experiment to see how the disease spread. Following the August 1918 flu pandemic, in an attempt to develop a vaccine, 62 volunteers were selected from 300 prisoners. Among the volunteers, 39 did not have a history of being infected with influenza. These men were promised pardons if they survived a set of tests.

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If you just did a cursory bit of investigation, you would find the original reference, which is the chapter "From Sailor to Swine" in Gina Kolata's book, Flu: The Story of the Great Influenza Pandemic of 1918 and the Search for the Virus that Caused It. Do you know who ran that study? fricking Milton J. Rosenau himself. I'll post proof in one second, but I can't believe you posted the same study twice and thought they were different because you can't be bothered to actually research anything.

That's fine for pilling people on the internet.

But it doesn't cut it in science.

The problem with "science" is it doesn't cut science. You've been fooled by that word. Nothing was proven to you in a repeatable experiment.

Stop trying to distract from the fact that you yourself still have zero studies to refute it. And face it. You're the doctor.