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We need Big Brother to beat this virus

Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:22 am
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:22 am


LINK < Since it is paywalled, I will paste the contents below for easy reading:

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Don’t let the civil liberties lobby blind us to the fact that greater state surveillance, including ID cards, is required

‘Hands in the air! Step away from the Easter eggs!” The Keystone Coppery of recent weeks has had some people muttering darkly that we are heading the way of a police state. Those who style themselves as defenders of ancient British liberties will soon have bigger fish to fry: the digital surveillance tools that government hopes to use to trace the infected. Prepare for dire warnings of state intrusion and an avalanche of Nineteen Eighty-Four quotes on social media warning that Big Brother is upon us.

Yet if we are to beat a path out of this pandemic without destroying our economy, overblown concerns about threats to our liberties must be countered by pragmatism. To recover some semblance of normality before a vaccine is found, we must accept the need for the state to access more information about ourselves, our health and our whereabouts — and not waste precious weeks arguing about it.

Look east to see how digital surveillance is an integral part of returning to “normal” life. Hong Kong has mandatory tracking wristbands for those in quarantine. In Taiwan the phone-tracking system is known as an “electronic fence”; those who are meant to be in isolation will be visited by the authorities if their phone is turned off. In South Korea the pooling of data from credit card use, mobile phones and CCTV cameras means that they can detail the movements of an infected citizen down to where they sat in the cinema and which bar they went for a beer in afterwards — and in less than ten minutes can trace and contact the woman who was sitting two stools down. Public support for these measures is high, for the simple reason that they are working.

In the West, proposals nowhere near as strong as these are meeting serious opposition. Edward Snowden, patron saint of the paranoid, has warned the digital remedy for this disease will become a disease itself, remaining long after we have been given the all-clear for coronavirus. “Privacy advocates” across Europe are determined to thwart what they see as unacceptable levels of state intrusion. Last month there was an outcry in Germany over plans to require mobile phone operators to hand over customer data, forcing the government to pull the proposals and go back to the drawing board for a softer, voluntary alternative.

Expect similar tussles in Britain, where civil liberties pressure groups are particularly noisy — as demonstrated a few years ago by their successful rebranding of a perfectly sensible piece of legislation as “the snooper’s charter”. Any moves to use our data for public health purposes is bound to stir up complaints. Indeed, when a new NHS contact-tracing app was announced last week, the former head of MI5 Lord Evans of Weardale said it was a “very intrusive set of proposals” that would be a “real intrusion into people’s private lives”.

Such dark warnings seem strangely out of date in an age when we all endlessly volunteer data about ourselves, unthinkingly click “I agree” to the box that pops up with every website we visit, and send information about our wants and desires to big tech companies, who monetise this information. To be comfortable selling our digital souls to Facebook and co and not to our government — which has a clear and life-saving reason for wanting some basic information — would be nonsensical.

The real problem with the NHS app as proposed is that it doesn’t go far enough. It has two major flaws. First, it relies on self-diagnosis, which — given the number of hypochondriacs out there — will be painfully inexact. Such a system needs to be paired with testing on a huge scale to be of any real use. The second issue is that this is voluntary. To be properly effective, over 80 per cent of smartphone users must take it up, a heroically ambitious target given that Singapore’s similar Tracetogether app only had take-up of 12 per cent.

The government must explore less comfortable terrain, beyond voluntarily downloaded apps. Last week a draft memo was leaked suggesting that alternatives included “making use of existing apps and other functions already installed on people’s phones (eg Google Maps)”. Following the leak, the health service’s digital wing fell over itself to deny this: “To be very clear — there have never been [such] plans”.

Why should such defensiveness be necessary? Using smartphone tracking, with all the expected caveats about ensuring anonymity, seems a perfectly proportionate measure given that thousands are dying and parts of our economy are being read the last rites. Indeed, last week an Ipsos Mori poll found that 65 per cent of people agreed with using smartphones to identify those who had been diagnosed, and work out who they had been in contact with.

Another idea that may raise the heart rate of privacy campaigners but which would be useful in the UK’s recovery from this crisis is biometric ID cards. The health secretary has suggested that, down the line, immunity passports may be used to prove the status of those who have overcome the virus. Yet wouldn’t these be too vulnerable to forgery or theft? Far better to have an unforgeable, untransferable, unique document. ID cards would also provide a much richer source of data with which to trace the infected; South Korea’s comprehensive national identity system has been an important part of its success.

The creation of a national ID card system would not exactly be fast work, but who knows how long this crisis will continue or if future pandemics will occur? Besides, this a good idea beyond the current crisis; a stone to kill multiple birds, from voter fraud to welfare abuse, identity theft to illegal immigration (once citizens need a card to access bank accounts, housing and healthcare it will be much harder to melt into anonymity). There will always be high-profile huffing and puffing about such measures, but under that noise is the quiet pragmatism of the British public, who understand that some mild incursions on our privacy may be necessary for the sake of public health. The most recent poll on the subject found that a majority would support even the compulsory carrying of ID cards.

Britain has been too slow on many fronts in the first weeks of this crisis. We must now take seriously the example of other nations who have successfully restored some normality to life, and rapidly develop a system of digital surveillance that is comprehensive and useful enough to map and break chains of infection extremely quickly. Arch civil libertarians might not like it, but our health, prosperity and freedom depends on it.
Posted by deathvalleyfreak43
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14596 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:23 am to
I think I just heard JBE moan
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135045 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:24 am to
Cliff notes? Since no one has time to read More than a paragraph
Posted by LSUfanNkaty
LC, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
11967 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:24 am to
Clare Foges
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6795 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:25 am to
"If we lick the boot until it shines, then it won't ever be on my neck!"
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6795 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:25 am to
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Cliff notes? Since no one has time to read More than a paragraph
The image has the tl:dr version in it.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
66919 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:26 am to
Karen is out of fricking control.
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6795 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:37 am to
Journalism was a mistake
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
14576 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:03 am to
quote:

including ID cards, is required


Are they required to vote as well?
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
19239 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:05 am to

No we don’t. This isn’t China
Posted by JetsetNuggs
Member since Jun 2014
15620 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:05 am to
Posted by Woodreaux
OC California
Member since Jan 2008
2790 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:11 am to
I don't even need to make up quotes for this one. I'll just hand off to the Ben Franklin, I know y'all know the quote. If you don't please leave my country now.

While I welcome and support self-imposed isolation and people voluntarily taking responsible measures, this ain't going to work.

Left and Right wing American values agree: this Karen is exactly wrong. Authoritarian shitholes like PRC and USSR have proven Police States will always be dominated by freer societies. We have no need to embrace this weakness.

Posted by TexasTiger90
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Jul 2014
3576 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:27 am to
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The creation of a national ID card system
I already have a passport, thank you.
Posted by LSUGUMBO
Shreveport, LA
Member since Sep 2005
9931 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:28 am to
Bonus Season!!!!!
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
26695 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:29 am to
quote:

Cliff notes? Since no one has time to read More than a paragraph




and this is the reason we are where we are with this. NO one is researching and protesting so the left pushes further and further towards oppression.
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
12161 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:29 am to
This reads as an onion article
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:30 am to
I didn't even make it past the headline before I hated the author
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
24517 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:34 am to
quote:

we must accept the need for the state to access more information about ourselves, our health and our whereabouts 

No way this would be taken advantage of and abused by those in power. Right?
Posted by hob
Member since Dec 2017
2407 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:52 am to
This is a great opportunity for the govt to gather DNA data on everyone and associate that DNA with cell phone data. What could go wrong?

Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
99791 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:55 am to
We need voter ID cards that's for sure

Does this girl also support the Pandemic Drones that are out now
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