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re: Walgreens pharmacist denies pregnant woman miscarriage medication over his ethical beliefs

Posted on 6/25/18 at 8:48 pm to
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77270 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 8:48 pm to
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Either we all get to legally refuse service to who ever or no one can.
Everyone should get too, but Scruffy won’t throw the ability of medical professionals away in order to placate feeling of unfairness.
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 8:50 pm to
I can't say I blame ya, just jealous I guess
and scared that emotional wrecks like lsunurse have the ability to refuse service because her flow is heavy that particular day
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 8:53 pm
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 9:28 pm to
You ever heard of a lawyer turning down a case? You ever heard of a CPA deciding not to service a client anymore? You ever heard of a restaurant denying service to someone based on their dress code?

This is much ado about nothing. Seems people here prefer a medical system where someone has to do things against their beliefs. But if you even dare to mention a single payer system here, that's absolutely ludicrous. Such cognitive dissonance it's not even funny anymore.
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 9:30 pm
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22971 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 9:37 pm to
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So I'm the only one that thinks its pretty fricked up that Drs, pharmacists, and nurses are the only professions that can refuse service due to their personal opinion? Guess that makes me the outlier on this issue and I'm perfectly fine with that.

ETA: I don't have a problem that they are able to legally do that, I just think it should be all or none. Either we all get to legally refuse service to who ever or no one can.


Everybody can refuse service to whoever they want for any reason they want as long as they are not discriminating against a protected class of individuals (which is not the case here).

A lawyer, accountant, painter, carpenter, business owner, hairdresser, etc. can all deny service to someone due to their religious or moral convictions. This right is not exclusive to the medical field.
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 9:40 pm
Posted by lsursb
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
12319 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 10:21 pm to
The pharmacist needs to say he mistakenly thought she was Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Then it’s all good.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 10:33 pm to
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scared that emotional wrecks like lsunurse have the ability to refuse service because her flow is heavy that particular day


You make no sense. Not shocking considering how much of an uneducated idiot you have come across as in this thread.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 10:53 pm to
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They most certainly will fire this person.


As well they should. It’s absurd to find yourself playing pharmacist roulette when you go to fill an Rx.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:25 pm to
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As well they should. It’s absurd to find yourself playing pharmacist roulette when you go to fill an Rx.


Oh look, another poster who didn't read the thread or find out the details before being assured the pharmacist was wrong.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23267 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:37 pm to
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Spock's Eyebrow


Jesus, some of you fricks are complete imbeciles.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:42 pm to
I believe I read the balking pharmacist sent her to another store 20 minutes away, hence “pharmacy roulette.” Being sent away is crazy all by itself, and who’s to say she wouldn’t encounter another a-hole when she finally made it there?
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:58 pm to
These questions have been answered and discussed many times already here.
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:04 am to
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As well they should. It’s absurd

Based only on the article in the OP, I thought the same thing at first.

The reporting on this situation is super biased. Nurse pointed out that he transferred the prescription and she was notified minutes later it was available. Some articles are intentionally not including that critical piece of information.

The article in the OP made it seem she had to call corporate and her doctor before it was transferred. That’s not what happened.

Whether you agree or not with his actions, he followed specific company policy governing pharmacist right to “step away” from a prescription for religious beliefs. If Walgreens fires him based on this, he could sue them.

Personally, I disagree with his actions. I also feel that denying a prescription based on religious beliefs is a slippery slope, but is absolutely similar to the code of ethics governing other medical professions. The notion some are suggesting that a pharmacist “still has to fill a prescription even if they object to it” is just ludicrous- and dangerous.

So at this point, anyone who only read the article in the OP and says he should be fired doesn’t have all the information.

Walgreens is a private company and they have the right to allow this or not. The pharmacist can choose to work for a company that supports this or not. The patient, whom I deeply sympathize with, and all her supporters can simply choose to not fill at Walgreens anymore.

ETA I also apologize to Nurse for missing her point earlier. I should have read 3 more articles before reacting to the one in the OP. In these situations, one has to glean facts from multiple sources to know the truth.

This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 1:17 am
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:26 am to
So Walgreens company policy is pharmacy roulette. Good to know.
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:38 am to
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Being sent away is crazy all by itself, and who’s to say she wouldn’t encounter another a-hole when she finally made it there?


I felt the same way based on the OP article, but listen carefully.

The pharmacist who refuses a prescription based on their religious beliefs is required to arrange for it to be filled by a pharmacist who will under the Walgreens policy, and he did.

This is a prime example of suffering that can happen when the religious rights of one person are indirectly imposed upon another person, but these situations will occur in America because of our freedoms.

He didn’t break his company policy. That’s not an argument anymore, people.
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:45 am to
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So Walgreens company policy is pharmacy roulette. Good to know.


I don’t work for Walgreens but their policy is pretty clear from what I’ve read. They require that the pharmacist who has religious objections to a prescription still has to arrange for the prescription to be available if they won’t fill it, and he did.

Help me understand this “pharmacy roulette” analogy.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 6/26/18 at 1:08 am to
Rx is the little ball, pharmacy is the wheel, pharmacist is the number the player bets to come up. It’s imperfect, because you have the expectation of winning every time, and it never occurs to you that you’re playing a game in the first place. If they sell a drug, you have the expectation of receiving it with a valid Rx, without being required to jump through hoops created by the random employee you drew that day.
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 6/26/18 at 2:04 am to
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Rx is the little ball, pharmacy is the wheel, pharmacist is the number the player bets to come up. It’s imperfect, because you have the expectation of winning every time, and it never occurs to you that you’re playing a game in the first place. If they sell a drug, you have the expectation of receiving it with a valid Rx, without being required to jump through hoops created by the random employee you drew that day.



No, just no. Pharmacists do not sell drugs.

An extremely oversimplified description of what a retail pharmacist does is ensure that the medications dispensed are appropriate and accurate. A retail chain pharmacist does not own those drugs and does not sell them.

The situation of a pharmacist deferring a prescription elsewhere due to religious beliefs is not common enough for you to apply this incredibly dumb roulette analogy to actual reality. Especially if their policy requires the pharmacist immediately arrange for a win somewhere else. 90% of pharmacists would have gone out of their way to help this woman if they knew her situation.

And if you wear sunglasses indoors when you drop off your tattered prescription for 120 Xanax, THAT will be like pharmacy roulette. This is different.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 2:43 am
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138533 posts
Posted on 6/26/18 at 6:22 am to
So when is the pharmacy person going to be considered sexist and/or racist for their personal choice?
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 6/26/18 at 6:54 am to
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also apologize to Nurse for missing her point earlier


No worries

I just thought it was odd that each source was saying something different about the situation.

I think everyone just got emotionally caught up in the woman’s situation... that they automatically wanted to call the pharmacist evil. It still isn’t super clear what happened considered each source saying different things. So the guy could have not gone strictly by policy. But I would imagine Walgreens and AZ pharmacy board are investigating the situation.

It is sad how many people on this board still think of pharmacists as merely pill dispensers and are so ignorant to what y’all really do.

And my posts weren’t saying I would have done the same as the pharmacist. Just that if he truly refused based on his beliefs and followed policy....he was within his rights to do so and people should place the pitchforks down.

And what do y’all do if it is after doctor’s office hours and you need to clarify a prescription (like people were saying he should have). Remember...it was evening time when she went to pick the med up. Do y’all call their answering service? Just curious
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74272 posts
Posted on 6/26/18 at 7:42 am to
What an a-hole. It wasn't an abortion she is carrying a dead baby.

Of course he didn't know that though.

I'm not a fan of religion based business morals. Bothers me I can't get a beer at some gas stations or bacon at some breakfast places because of fanatics.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 7:51 am
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