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re: Vietnam. Was Hugh Thompson Jr a hero or traitor?
Posted on 12/24/17 at 1:08 pm to fishfighter
Posted on 12/24/17 at 1:08 pm to fishfighter
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his daughter is laying up in a hospital covered in cancer right now that has a very good chance that my brother had passed
Anyone who sees the effects of agent orange wouldn’t see the justification of using it under any circumstances.
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Posted on 12/24/17 at 1:22 pm to White Roach
One of the My Lai defendants was an African American soldier from St Francisville. A young attorney named Ossie Brown won him an acquittal at his court martial and used the goodwill he garnered from it in the SELA black community as a springboard for his political career.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 1:31 pm to TigersFan64
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The big difference in the GOP'ers who dodged the Vietnam-era draft and the Democratic ones is that the GOP draft dodgers like Cheney, G.W. Bush, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, etc. generally supported the war
Oh that makes their cowardice acceptable...
Posted on 12/24/17 at 1:53 pm to jonboy
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IMO, we have devalued to the point of stupidity the terms "hero" and "traitor". When it comes to Hugh Thompson I say he was a man who exhibited extraordinary moral courage at exactly the right time.
Sounds about right
Posted on 12/24/17 at 1:57 pm to el Gaucho
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Yes. He tried to keep American soldiers from killing the enemy
Because defenseless women and children are the enemy?
Idiot...
Posted on 12/24/17 at 1:59 pm to Lakeboy7
It makes the GOP draft dodgers complete hypocrites, as well as cowards. Some other guys had to go in their place to fight and possibly die in a war they supported.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 2:03 pm to TigersFan64
I don't know if you've seen any movies about Vietnam but those defenseless women and children would run up to our boys with grenades and try to blow them up
Posted on 12/24/17 at 2:15 pm to el Gaucho
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Yalls hero Obama wasn't a draft dodger! He fought for al quaeda!
el Gaucho = liar & total moron
Posted on 12/24/17 at 2:20 pm to arkiebrian
Often forgotten is the long history of how American got involved in Vietnam. We owe the hardline Cold Warriors such as John Foster Dulles et. al who went around spouting the nonsense that we'd be fighting the communists on the beaches of California if South Vietnam were to fall. The hardline morons who pushed the "domino theory" had a lot to do with the U.S. getting entangled in the Vietnam mess.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 2:23 pm to el Gaucho
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I don't know if you've seen any movies about Vietnam but those defenseless women and children would run up to our boys with grenades and try to blow them up
I know those people in My Lai were totally unarmed and defenseless during the massacre. Guess that's the reason not one American soldier was killed or wounded that day by enemy action at My Lai.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 2:25 pm to feverish
quote:youre an idiot.
No soldiers were ever convicted of committing the massacre.
The JAG Corps court-martialed 2LT Calley with a quickness for murder. The crook Nixon pardoned him, surprise surprise.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 2:28 pm to OysterPoBoy
Hero. Killing unarmed civilians makes us no better than our enemies
Posted on 12/24/17 at 3:25 pm to feverish
He is a hero to the people he saved I'm sure.
As far as a soldier, he is not a hero (he is ABSOLUTELY NOT a traitor). He was following orders by stopping murder.
As far as a soldier, he is not a hero (he is ABSOLUTELY NOT a traitor). He was following orders by stopping murder.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 3:35 pm to White Roach
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Soldiers were methodically rounding up and shooting non-combatants.
Hopefully, you're referring to the VC or NVA vs. U.S. armed forces.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 3:38 pm to TigersFan64
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We owe the hardline Cold Warriors such as John Foster Dulles et. al who went around spouting the nonsense that we'd be fighting the communists on the beaches of California if South Vietnam were to fall. The hardline morons who pushed the "domino theory" had a lot to do with the U.S. getting entangled in the Vietnam mess.
Exactly...Korea too and every other post-WWII skirmish in the 20th century.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 3:42 pm to feverish
Anyone who doubts the heroism of Hugh Thompson and the brutality of William Calley needs to read “Four Hours in My Lai” co-authored by Michael Bilton and Kevin Sim. Still makes my blood boil today.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 3:58 pm to PeteRose
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Anyone who sees the effects of agent orange wouldn’t see the justification of using it under any circumstances.
I bet you are exposed to "Agent Orange" every spring by your neighbors. Today you you are probably more familiar with it called 2,4-D. But since they took out the 2,4,5-T your are probably fine. Maybe.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 6:02 pm to TigersFan64
Often forgotten is the long history of how American got involved in Vietnam. We owe the hardline Cold Warriors such as John Foster Dulles et. al who went around spouting the nonsense that we'd be fighting the communists on the beaches of California if South Vietnam were to fall. The hardline morons who pushed the "domino theory" had a lot to do with the U.S. getting entangled in the Vietnam mess.
To be fair to some of those decision makers, they were a product of their times. They had seen it before with Germany in the inter-war years. The Rhineland, Austria, The Sudetanland and then the rest of Czechoslovakia had been ceded to Hitler without firing a shot. It had placed the West in a vastly more precarious position when the war did start. Combine that with the loss of China to the Communists and you can see why some policy makers were quick to draw a line in the sand. Plus, our successful repulse of the ChiComs in Korea less than 10 years before may have validated their line of thinking.
Should they have discerned the difference between a foreign invasion (Korea) and what was essentially a civil war (Vietnam)? Probably. But with their collective experiences it is easy to see why they erred on the side of a hard line response.
To be fair to some of those decision makers, they were a product of their times. They had seen it before with Germany in the inter-war years. The Rhineland, Austria, The Sudetanland and then the rest of Czechoslovakia had been ceded to Hitler without firing a shot. It had placed the West in a vastly more precarious position when the war did start. Combine that with the loss of China to the Communists and you can see why some policy makers were quick to draw a line in the sand. Plus, our successful repulse of the ChiComs in Korea less than 10 years before may have validated their line of thinking.
Should they have discerned the difference between a foreign invasion (Korea) and what was essentially a civil war (Vietnam)? Probably. But with their collective experiences it is easy to see why they erred on the side of a hard line response.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 6:34 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
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and watched that horrible slanted Ken Burns garbage.
Lol. That documentary was amazing and far from slanted.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 7:58 pm to Wolfhound45
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the brutality of William Calley
Add to that the stupidity and unfitness of Calley. He had to be recycled through training, and had no business being in command of a damn thing.
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