re: Video of Kyle Rittenhouse making the rounds on Twitter *Updated in OP

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Maybe.

I dunno.

Looked like the girl that was "being bullied" initiated the 1st confrontation. Then she attacked the girl.

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I honestly feel like you are watching a different video.

Nike shirt had tall girl backed up against against a light pole about 4 inches from her face when the video opened.

Red leg held Nike shirt back and tall girl walked away and Nike, red, and Merica shoes followed her.

After catching tall girl the trio start to walk away and it appears tall girl has a couple of extra words for red leg and red leg turns around walks up and grabs her. The girls start going at it and Nike starts to pull red leg away and Merica shoes starts punching tall girl from behind. He punched her at least 6 times.

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Does it compare with a cat that fricked a kid, or one that strangled his spouse? No.

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To me, all the whataboutism from both sides is childish and mostly irrelevant. Had the people he shot been saints prior to that night I wouldn't see their actions any differently nor would I see Rittenhouse's actions any differently if he was a far worse sinner as long as the prior actions did not meet the probative standard for admissibility. After seeing this video I have questions about his maturity and temperament to carry a firearm, but that determination isn't up to me it rests with the WI courts since the WI legislature proved to be incompetent code drafters.

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One situation has nothing to do with the other.

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No it doesn’t. But the kid is subject of national discussion so I posted this for discussion

I was told previous behavior is irrelevant to current events when it comes to these matters. See Jacob Blake, Alton Sterling, etc.

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You are misusing this word, if you are applying it to my post.

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True yours was not a true tu quoque nor what I was applying it to. I was using the fairly current common use derivative when in:

Fan of Team 1 says player for team 2 committed a misdemeanor

Fan of Team 2 replies but what about the player from team 1 that committed a felony

The hypocrisy is by proxy by virtue of "team" alliance.

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We will see how the jury decides. I do know this is a very sad situation all the way around and I hate people lost their lives. The violence in these riots are not justified and people from all sides are co-opting and legit cry for justice for their own nefarious reasons; both from the extreme left and extreme right. I hate all the violence. It’s so sad.

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Great post. There are absolutely zero winners here. In all the protests. Either side gleefully getting e-boners over any of the nonsense that’s happened the past few months is outrageous. This has been a sad summer for America. This has been a sad summer for mankind.

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And I'm still waiting for actual confirmation from someone other than a "journalist" with a random video that this is actually Kyle.

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you still wouldn't believe anything against your hero

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To me, all the whataboutism from both sides is childish and mostly irrelevant. Had the people he shot been saints prior to that night I wouldn't see their actions any differently nor would I see Rittenhouse's actions any differently if he was a far worse sinner as long as the prior actions did not meet the probative standard for admissibility. After seeing this video I have questions about his maturity and temperament to carry a firearm, but that determination isn't up to me it rests with the WI courts since the WI legislature proved to be incompetent code drafters.

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I completely agree. The backgrounds of the deceased shouldn’t matter in a court of law. The background of the accused should only matter insomuch as the current statutes and precedence of Wisconsin law (as interpreted by whomever judge winds up presiding over this case) allows.

People like us can obviously use all their backgrounds to decide what level, if any, we care about the players in this situation and their individual outcomes. But our feelings are irrelevant. All that matters is how the 12 potential jurors process the evidence produced at trail against the Wisconsin statutes and the accompanying defendant’s charges with which they are eventually presented.


I do think it will be really interesting to see how all this plays out, especially since his initial charges were 1st degree homicide. I know a lot of people here and on the Poli board just assume he was overcharged and “will walk” no problem. I haven’t looked closely into Wisconsin law, and concede that very well may be the case. However, it’s for those of us with no skin in the game to just say “yeah, there’s no way that’s 1st degree murder, take it to trial, get acquitted, and move on with your life.” We have no stakes. Much bigger gamble if that 17 year old is you or your son and losing that bet means life without the possibility of parole. Though the higher the charge, the more likely an acquittal—or even a mistrial—I’m not sure how comfortable I’d be giving that much power over the rest of my life to 12 strangers.

So, I guess I’m curious how willing both sides will wind up being to a plea. No matter his political leanings, I can’t imagine any DA is going to want to send this 17–year-old kid to life in prison based on this insanity of a situation. Even if it does literally meet the standard (I concede I have no idea) of the statute. There was obviously a ton of political pressure to go ahead and charge him to assuage the mob, but I wonder after the dust settles a bit and there is a little more water under the bridge, whether they drastically lower the charges before trial or try to plea it down. The sad reality (or at least one of so very many) is that all the men he shot were white, and a year from now there (hopefully) won’t be nearly as much political pressure to prosecute him to the fullest.

The best outcome for both sides may be to try him, hope for a hung jury and mistrial, and then just never retry it. No prison for Kyle and the DA saves face. But who is willing to gamble so much when the stakes are so high. I don’t envy anyone involved.

I don't get this mentality at all. If my business or other property is being razed by a gang of lawless rioters and the local government to which I pay taxes refuse to protect me, I should stfu and let them destroy everything? They burn the community and riot every night. You are blaming rittenhouser for what happened because his mere presence provoked irrational, hateful, bigoted and violent people to try and kill him. Thats fricking insane. What if he went there to counter protest unarmed, and JoJo the pedomidget killed him. Would that be his fault Too? Jesus Christ, listen to yourself.

What if the founders thought this way?

The problem is that there aren't MORE people like Kyle out There. If the local business and community leaders stood guard over their communities against these imported agitators, this problem with lawlessness would end. Quickly. Consider how Korean Americans banded together to protect their community during the LA riots. Those guys are the solution, not the problem.

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If you believe in personal agency and responsibility, then you have to believe in consequences for a long sequence of conscious decisions that escalated tensions and resulted in the deaths of multiple people.

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So you haven't watched the videos? There's no other way to spout this nonsense.