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re: Vice President says U.S. expects Strait of Hormuz to be open ‘toll free’ long term
Posted on 6/15/26 at 9:52 am to ragincajun03
Posted on 6/15/26 at 9:52 am to ragincajun03
What a fricking disaster, and I say this as a 3x Trump voter.
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Posted on 6/15/26 at 9:56 am to Mushroom1968
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Good democrat podcaster but kinda on the manly side.
Harry Sissy is the least manly male I’ve seen outside of posters on this board. Tracks that mushroom considers him a real man.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 10:35 am to Rip Torner
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That’s your example lol I stand corrected. You should ban yourself for that stupidity
You should ban yourself for thinking Trumps moves were better
Posted on 6/15/26 at 10:45 am to ragincajun03
But, he did not say anything about the administrative fee paid out to the Omani and Iranians......for upkeep and maintenance of the Strait of Hotmuz.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 10:49 am to WeeWee
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Except that the bearded lady who was in charge of a regime that backed the militants and terrorists that killed thousands Americans over the past few decades is no longer with us.
And were replaced by the same organization who ran those operations and who is required by their religious leaders to support the same things at penalty of death?
Nothing from a leadership perspective changed except the names.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 10:54 am to Rip Torner
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Are you referring to the idiotic nuclear deal and Uranium One? That’s your example lol I stand corrected. You should ban yourself for that stupidity
You realize that the IAEA confirmed on multiple occasions that Iran had stopped enriching uranium under that deal, right? Iran’s nuclear weapons program had stopped.
What benefit did we get when Trump decided to pull us out of the deal in 2018?
Posted on 6/15/26 at 10:54 am to ragincajun03
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Due to lack of details and a history of overly optimistic reassurances, we believe the security situation for the shipping industry remains volatile
Hmmm ?? wonder what he’s referring to.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 10:58 am to Tiger in Gatorland
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Hmmm ?? wonder what he’s referring to.
VLCC's are going to think twice before getting trapped in the gulf again.
Probably a premium in transport costs.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 11:01 am to BugAC
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Well that and several layers of their old regime leadership and proxies are dead. Their army, navy, and air defense is effectively eliminated. Their inflation has sky rocketed, their nuclear capabilities have been completely destroyed…..
But yeah, just like you said…. Nerd
If all of this is true why can't we just beat them militarily now and install a pro western gov?
Posted on 6/15/26 at 11:05 am to ragincajun03
Remember when people believed he was going to end the war in Ukraine before he even took office? 
meanwhile that' still going and he's started another war.
So much winning.
meanwhile that' still going and he's started another war. So much winning.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 11:07 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Remember when people believed he was going to end the war in Ukraine before he even took office? meanwhile that' still going and he's started another war.
Exactly, he also promised he was going to close the border, but come to Shreveport, Mexicans are everywhere.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 11:10 am to Ingeniero
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all it cost us was $300 billion direct-deposited to a terrorist state!
how much did it cost us to bomb them?
Posted on 6/15/26 at 11:23 am to CrappyPants
quote:We did a lot of damage to Iran, but they took control of the Strait early on and have severely restricted passage through it. (This is exactly what everyone had predicted they would try to do in the event of a war with the US for decades, so your guess as to why we didn't implement a strategy to stop them is as good as mine.) We haven't been able to dislodge their control of the Strait because it's very narrow in places, they're well dug-in in terms of the weapons and boats they use to control it, and the Strait has been mined.
If they are that incompetent, why did it take this long? Why didn't we just blow them to hell (or I thought we did)? So we gave them more money? For what? I don't understand.
The Iranian leadership aren't actually a bunch of incompetent, suicidal buffoon, that was just propaganda to make this war more palatable. Think about it: If they really were all part of an insane, suicidal death cult that couldn't be reasoned with, then why did we send the Vice-president halfway around the world to reason with them? Why are we apparently going to spend the next two months negotiating the fine points of an agreement?
Iran is telling their own people that they've won. They're going to demand reparations as part of their negotiation strategy, but I don't think anyone knows what's actually in this memorandum of understanding.
Here's a sticking point: Iran apparently thinks that this deal involves the Israelis stopping their war in Lebanon, but the Israelis don't seem to agree. No one knows what's going to become of this ir how long this temporary peace will hold.
Other Republicans must have finally convinced Trump of how politically damaging this war and the surge in gas prices has been for them, and he's decided to just declare victory and hash out the details later. I think the odds are decent that we won't find out the contents of any final peace deal until the day after the November elections so that the Democrats won't be able to slam Republicans with its terms. All aspects of the deal will probably stay conveniently murky until then, with both Trump and Iran claiming that they got everything they wanted out of it.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:05 pm to Chuck Barris
That's a lot of words to say: Trump started a stupid fricking war that everyone except his dipshit cabinet knew was a loser. He won't release the terms of how badly he's going to have shite the bed on this until after the midterms.
If you support/endorse that strategy with your vote, then you deserve everything that happens to you in your stupid life.
If you support/endorse that strategy with your vote, then you deserve everything that happens to you in your stupid life.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:07 pm to wesfau
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That's a lot of words to say: Trump started a stupid fricking war that everyone except his dipshit cabinet knew was a loser. He won't release the terms of how badly he's going to have shite the bed on this until after the midterms. If you support/endorse that strategy with your vote, then you deserve everything that happens to you in your stupid life.
As an independent thinker I agree
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:08 pm to Klark Kent
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Klark Kent
Can you articulate what was achieved by the latest action in Iran?
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:11 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Can you articulate what was achieved by the latest action in Iran?
Trump stated we are giving them $300B and they can keep the uranium. I believe Trump agreed they can have nuclear weapons as long as it can’t reach us. Iran will reopen the Strait That’s the detailed assessment I saw. It will be released to the public in the next day or 2.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:12 pm to Mushroom1968
If that is close to the terms then this was all a market pump and dump scheme paired with funneling billions to military contractors.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:19 pm to Mushroom1968
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Trump stated we are giving them $300B
I thought it was unfreezing of assets not giving like it’s reparations. Same thing Obama did…
Not saying I like it either way but might as well call it for what it is.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:33 pm to JohnnyKilroy
sure, although I’m not sure why you’re asking me (other than taking offense to my “Reddit talking points” comment) :-)
And feel free to dig through my post history, I’ve been pretty clear: I’m no fan of foreign wars, especially when we get dragged into them by our “ally”, Israel. frick Israel. I’d much rather the Trump v2 administration focus their attention and effort solely on domestic issues. Nonetheless…
On to your question: What was achieved?
Iran was reminded there are still consequences for funding terror, threatening our allies, attacking American interests, and chasing nuclear capability.
Their military infrastructure and parts of their nuclear program were severely degraded. The debate isn’t whether damage was done, it’s how much. (or how effective said damage is long term)
And now they’re negotiating from a weaker position, which is usually how negotiations with hostile regimes should work.
Did it solve the Middle East forever? Obviously not. But that’s a bit of a childish standard. The real question is whether Iran would be stronger and more dangerous if nothing had been done. The answer is very clearly, yes.
All of which is a stark contrast to the previous administration’s Afghanistan failures. Considering Biden chose the most chaotic exit strategy imaginable, stranded Americans and allies, handed the Taliban a country’s worth of equipment, and then tried to call it a success.
And feel free to dig through my post history, I’ve been pretty clear: I’m no fan of foreign wars, especially when we get dragged into them by our “ally”, Israel. frick Israel. I’d much rather the Trump v2 administration focus their attention and effort solely on domestic issues. Nonetheless…
On to your question: What was achieved?
Iran was reminded there are still consequences for funding terror, threatening our allies, attacking American interests, and chasing nuclear capability.
Their military infrastructure and parts of their nuclear program were severely degraded. The debate isn’t whether damage was done, it’s how much. (or how effective said damage is long term)
And now they’re negotiating from a weaker position, which is usually how negotiations with hostile regimes should work.
Did it solve the Middle East forever? Obviously not. But that’s a bit of a childish standard. The real question is whether Iran would be stronger and more dangerous if nothing had been done. The answer is very clearly, yes.
All of which is a stark contrast to the previous administration’s Afghanistan failures. Considering Biden chose the most chaotic exit strategy imaginable, stranded Americans and allies, handed the Taliban a country’s worth of equipment, and then tried to call it a success.
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