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re: Vatican investigating Diocese of Baton Rouge
Posted on 5/10/26 at 9:45 am to Mung
Posted on 5/10/26 at 9:45 am to Mung
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I think it’s more that queer guys go into the church to try to pray away the gay. The 3 guys I went to HS with, who later came out of the closet were all super religious. 2 baptists, one catholic. They all tried the ministry but it didn’t work out. None of them are pedos, they just sought God’s help to not be gay, but it doesn’t work.
Just bc they’re gay doesn’t make them suddenly deviants trying to molest little boys. If they were gay priests hooking up with each other or other adult gay men in a consensual relationship, this wouldn’t be nearly as big of a deal. But there’s a large cohort of these gay priests that are preying on children. And the why is bc they are able to obtain authority figure status by being a priest, which allows them a position of power over their “flock” including young children. And a large cohort of their flock are willing to look the other way on any semblance of impropriety from the priest just bc they are a priest. So these pervs see a means to access children and an alibi to escape any claims against their character AND an organization with a history of enablement of the pedophiles. Then they target becoming priests for the above reasons
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Posted on 5/10/26 at 9:46 am to Upperdecker
I'm being slightly obtuse to make a point about what every adult person should do when a sex pervert admits to us that they have sexual abused a child.
I'm deflecting anything. My focus is on what we must do in a situation like that.
Of course the sex pervert's boss is wrong and must be re-trained and corrected, and maybe even should lose his job.
That said, let's turn our focus on my point about what our duty is, as adults, in a situation like this - a sex pervert admits to us that he is sexually abusing minors. Our duty is to immediately call 911, perhaps even as the sex pervert stands there. If that's too bold, then excuse yourself, step 20 feet away and call 911 immediately.
Now, do I make myself clear?
I'm deflecting anything. My focus is on what we must do in a situation like that.
Of course the sex pervert's boss is wrong and must be re-trained and corrected, and maybe even should lose his job.
That said, let's turn our focus on my point about what our duty is, as adults, in a situation like this - a sex pervert admits to us that he is sexually abusing minors. Our duty is to immediately call 911, perhaps even as the sex pervert stands there. If that's too bold, then excuse yourself, step 20 feet away and call 911 immediately.
Now, do I make myself clear?
Posted on 5/10/26 at 9:46 am to Upperdecker
Exactly, and in doing so he is just further perpetuating the stereotypes of predators being protected within the church. Victim blaming is asinine, and we will never flush these evil men out of the church with attitudes like his.
Posted on 5/10/26 at 9:52 am to Champagne
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That said, let's turn our focus on my point about what our duty is, as adults, in a situation like this - a sex pervert admits to us that he is sexually abusing minors. Our duty is to immediately call 911, perhaps even as the sex pervert stands there. If that's too bold, then excuse yourself, step 20 feet away and call 911 immediately.
Are you talking about the adult victim or the church volunteer who actually reported? If you want to acknowledge that the church volunteer should have gone directly to police, I agree. But he did end up going to police when he realized that was the right move.
If you’re talking about the adult victim, you’re victim shaming. I don’t think this adult’s age is listed - he could be 18 for all we know. This could have been a very traumatic experience for him, having someone he likely trusted try to have sex with him, and he did his best by just telling someone he trusts that could do the rest
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Of course the sex pervert's boss is wrong and must be re-trained and corrected, and maybe even should lose his job.
This is a massive undersell. This same exact pattern is why all these pedophiles are enabled by the church and get moved to a new church to do the same thing and end up with a list of victims a mile long. Duca should minimum be fired and defrocked. But there’s a potential he should serve some time for this
This post was edited on 5/10/26 at 9:55 am
Posted on 5/10/26 at 9:55 am to Upperdecker
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If you’re talking about the adult victim, you’re victim shaming
I've made my point and this conversation is over, but, I'm happy to clarify my conclusions.
This post was edited on 5/10/26 at 10:48 am
Posted on 5/10/26 at 10:10 am to Champagne
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I've made my point
And that's the problem. You refusing to place blame squarely on diocesan leadership for failing their own protocols. Assigning ANY blame to victims is unacceptable.
For the non-catholics reading this thread- know that there are good Catholics fighting these fights every day. Champagne's attitude is not prevalent amongst any lay persons I know who are aware of the situation.
Posted on 5/10/26 at 10:40 am to dragginass
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You refusing to place blame squarely on diocesan leadership for failing their own protocols.
I have done that.
There are TWO acts of misconduct in this scenario.
1) we have an adult victim of sexual harrassment. The clergy is squarely and completely guilty of failure to follow direct written orders from the chain of command, with regard to this particular misconduct. Adult victim is completely innocent of any wrong doing with regard to this particular act of misconduct. A homosexual propositioned the Adult Victim.
Now, are we clear on that? Clergy -guilty . Adult victim - innocent.
SECOND act of misconduct. We have a child victim, who is completely innocent and MUST be protected. All adults have a Duty to protect minors from sexual assault. EVEN IF you yourself have been sexually harassed personally, your Duty to protect children remains and you are not absolved of that duty.
This second act of misconduct is that a sex pervert admitted to an adult witness that he the pervert sexually assaulted a minor. Misconduct Act 2 is the pervert's sexual assault on the minor.
Are we clear now that we have two separate acts of Misconduct? In Misconduct 1, no crime is apparent - an adult was propositioned and sexually harassed. This is inappropriate and immoral but probably not a crime.
Misconduct Act #2 is the Sexual Assault on a Minor. Any adult to whom is revealed evidence of sexual assault on a minor has a duty to treat this as an emergency endangerment of a child and has the duty to immediately call 911 to report the crime of sexual assault on a child. Why does this duty exist? Because sexual assault on a minor is a major felony criminal offense and law enforcement must be summoned immediately in order to protect the child and investigate this crime more fully, for the purpose of facilitating the prosecution of the child molester by the District Attorney.
Any adult who fails to immediately call 911 to report such a crime has not himself committed any crime, but, my contention has failed in his Duty, as a citizen, to protect children.
Is that clear now?
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Champagne's attitude is not prevalent amongst any lay persons I know who are aware of the situation.
Do you still adhere to this or would you like to retract your conclusion now that I've made things more clear?
This post was edited on 5/10/26 at 10:42 am
Posted on 5/10/26 at 10:47 am to Champagne
I stand by what I said. The victim witnessed no crime, but reported what he heard the Priest say to church authorities. After unsatisfactory response, he called the police. You cannot hold the adult victim to the same standard as church authorities.
You're still wrong, and I still believe your attitude is antithetical to justice, healing, and the betterment of the church.
You're still wrong, and I still believe your attitude is antithetical to justice, healing, and the betterment of the church.
Posted on 5/10/26 at 10:49 am to Cowboyfan89
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It's not a "not allowed to marry" problem.
"not allowed to marry" isn't what makes these pedos do what they do but "not allowed to marry" is what keeps a lot of devout, mentally healthy, heterosexual and otherwise normal men out of the priesthood.
Posted on 5/10/26 at 10:51 am to wadewilson
Duca is done
I still say female priests would solve a lot of the issues of Catholic Church
It’s time
I still say female priests would solve a lot of the issues of Catholic Church
It’s time
Posted on 5/10/26 at 10:54 am to dragginass
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The victim witnessed no crime
This is incorrect.
Admission of guilt of commission of a major felony is direct evidence of the crime. In a court of criminal law, such an Admission of Guilt is admissible evidence of the crime itself and it is exempt from the Hearsay Rule of Evidence. This is what the Law says. Admission of Guilt is Exempt from the Hearsay Rule of Evidence and such admissions of guilt are admissible evidence in court that is prosecuting the accused for the crime, which he admitted that he committed.
When an adult is a witness to such direct evidence that is admissible in court as evidence of a crime, that adult has the Duty to immediately report the criminal activity to law enforcement. This is a civic duty, it's not a crime if you neglect to do your civic duty.
Do you understand now that the victim, in a very real and important legal sense, DID witness a crime against a child?
This post was edited on 5/10/26 at 10:56 am
Posted on 5/10/26 at 11:01 am to Champagne
You can legalese yourself into believing the VICTIM Could have responded differently.
He was himself a victim who reported it to church authorities, AND to the police. That he didn't do it on some arbitrary timeline you have created; well that just makes YOU look bad.
Your position is unreasonable for every reason I have already stated.
I am thankful that every lay person I have spoken to about this issue does not share your opinion. Just stop. You are doing more harm than good. We will never drive out the darkness with positions like yours.
He was himself a victim who reported it to church authorities, AND to the police. That he didn't do it on some arbitrary timeline you have created; well that just makes YOU look bad.
Your position is unreasonable for every reason I have already stated.
I am thankful that every lay person I have spoken to about this issue does not share your opinion. Just stop. You are doing more harm than good. We will never drive out the darkness with positions like yours.
Posted on 5/10/26 at 11:11 am to dragginass
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You can legalese yourself into believing the VICTIM Could have responded differently.
. That he didn't do it on some arbitrary timeline you have created; well that just makes YOU look bad.
Your position is unreasonable for every reason I have already stated.
I am thankful that every lay person I have spoken to about this issue does not share your opinion. Just stop. You are doing more harm than good. We will never drive out the darkness with positions like yours.
I am approaching the scenario from the broader sense of how we can learn from a fact scenario like this one. None of us are involved in the actual case and we don't seek to involve ourselves in this particular case.
We can learn some lessons from a fact scenario like this one.
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He was himself a victim who reported it to church authorities, AND to the police
Exactly the correct course of action is to immediately report to law enforcement and to the clergy chain of command the sexual assault on a child. This is the exact correct course of action. Thank you for the clarification.
Let us all do this in every case, especially the part about immediately calling 911 when evidence of sexual assault on a minor is revealed to us.
I'm glad that we were able to clarify things. This unfortunate event indeed provided us as a community to clarify our duties and responsibilities going forward.
And finally, as fully informed citizens, let's keep in mind Louisiana's new criminal statute that makes "Grooming" of minors a criminal offense, even if no sex contact occurs, if it can be proven by the Government that the Grooming's motive was to sexually abuse a child. So, call the police even if you are a witness to such Grooming.
Thanks.
This post was edited on 5/10/26 at 11:19 am
Posted on 5/10/26 at 11:20 am to Champagne
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I am approaching the scenario from the broader sense of how we can learn
That is entirely different than how you assessed blame previously.
You and I would probably agree on 99% of matters of the church. Let us be intentional with our support of anyone who is brave enough to do the right thing and make reports, no matter how they are made. The victim, in this particular case, went through the effort to make sure the alleged abuser was investigated by law enforcement AND church authorities. He did the right thing, and that's all that matters.
Posted on 5/10/26 at 11:27 am to dragginass
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That is entirely different than how you assessed blame previously.
I apologize for the misunderstanding.
We can be better informed citizens by putting down in writing what we must do as citizens to protect minors from sexual assault. That's what I'm trying to do here.
Call 911 immediately. When a child says "Mr. X did something to me" and it's something sexual - immediately call 911 to report the crime. If an adult admits to you "I initiated sexual contact with a child", immediately call 911 to report the crime. This is my message and I think we all agree on this specific message.
The new Louisiana criminal law that makes Grooming a criminal offense is a bit more tricky, because grooming activities themselves, such as giving gifts, are not crimes. As such, it is a much tougher decision with regard to immediately calling 911, but, it is important for us all to know that Grooming is now a crime under La. criminal law.
This post was edited on 5/10/26 at 11:30 am
Posted on 5/10/26 at 1:12 pm to soccerfüt
Good one. Duca and "Luka".
This post was edited on 5/10/26 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 5/10/26 at 1:53 pm to cajuntiger1010
Remove and defrock Bishop Duca.
Most Catholics are upset about the coverup. This is EXACTLY what Duca allegedly did. Coverup.
If true, remove and defrock.
Most Catholics are upset about the coverup. This is EXACTLY what Duca allegedly did. Coverup.
If true, remove and defrock.
This post was edited on 5/10/26 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 5/10/26 at 3:06 pm to UFFan
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Why do priests always target boys?
It’s a requirement.
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