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re: Vaccinated easily spreading Delta with troubling high viral loads...

Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:16 am to
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76211 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:16 am to
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The good news is the number of idiots starting threads like this is decreasing by the day.


I think people are generally realizing they are going to be on the wrong side of history
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
81954 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:17 am to
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Based on the reported numbers, 1 in 89.29 fully vaccinated Americans have died from COVID.

Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52069 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:17 am to
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Which is why it’s so annoying that the Covidians keep screeching about getting your shots. They’re just as big a vector as the unvaccinated.

NO!!! You are an incorrect idiot!

They are just as infectious, while they are infected, and IF they get infected. There are two conditions in that statement. They are less likely to get infected, and they stay infected for a shorter time. BOTH of these things make them far less of a vector than an unvaccinated moron.
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22562 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:17 am to
So what is the OP advocating for? Forever masks and distancing?
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60691 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:18 am to
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Maybe they need to do a tad more than send you home and tell you to go to the hospital when you think you’re worse. By then it’s too late.



they are correct 99 percent of the time
Posted by ds_engineer
South Mississippi
Member since Dec 2014
412 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:20 am to
I think the vaccine is just masking symptoms. We already know that many unvaccinated get COVID but are completely asymptomatic. We know that the “vaccine” reduces symptoms and severity.

It is my understanding that the vaccine gives instructions (mRNA) on how to deal with spike proteins and does little to prevent the virus itself. It seems reasonable that there would be much greater odds of vaccinated people being asymptomatic when they catch the virus and unknowingly spread the virus.

Was this by design? Is the masking of symptoms part of the plan?

Everyone has dug their heels in with pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine, but none of us have access to any real un-opinionated data
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 9:21 am
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30026 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:23 am to
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Also, if the vaccine could make you an asymptomatic spreader, wouldn’t you NOT want to be vaccinated for the sake of your young kids (if you have them)?


You do realize people with infection-produced immunity can also be asymptomatic spreaders.
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
7908 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:24 am to
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“164 million Americans were fully vaccinated against COVID-19, with 191 million people having acquired partial immunity through at least one dose.”



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Based on the reported numbers, 1 in 89.29 fully vaccinated Americans have died from COVID.


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Not at all. What’s missing is the mainstream reports on vaccinated deaths.


I'm sure if your bullet proof investigating and math skills were correct, it wouldn't matter if the msm is reporting anything, because millions of people would be dead.






Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
30235 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:25 am to
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Based on the reported numbers, 1 in 89.29 fully vaccinated Americans have died from COVID.


Are you basing that on the numbers from your post? If so show your work.

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millions of people would be dead.


That’s based on your 1 in 89 answer…..which is why you need to show your work so someone can show you how dumb you are.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 9:28 am
Posted by Slidellproud
Madisonville
Member since Mar 2014
441 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:27 am to
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You do realize people with infection-produced immunity can also be asymptomatic spreaders.


Well it’s not like I sought out to get the virus so that’s beyond my control.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14402 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:34 am to
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So we have created a vaccine that turns subjects into asymptomatic carriers, great idea


Considering ithe virus is probably man made it’s not a foreign concept to expect a man made product to help with the virus. Get vaccinated or not but don’t pretend a man made solution to a man made problem shouldn’t be looked to in helping.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
18452 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:36 am to
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They are just as infectious, while they are infected, and IF they get infected. There are two conditions in that statement. They are less likely to get infected, and they stay infected for a shorter time. BOTH of these things make them far less of a vector than an unvaccinated moron.


Which also directly reduces their beloved Rt....
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
7908 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:38 am to
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It is my understanding that the vaccine gives instructions (mRNA) on how to deal with spike proteins and does little to prevent the virus itself.
Everyone has dug their heels in with pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine, but none of us have access to any real un-opinionated data



Well you have obviously not done any attempt at trying to find the answr because it is readily available in 100s of sources.

The mRNA contains instructions that get your body to create the spike protein.

Imagine a bunch of balls floating around in your body that have different shapes and features on the outside of them. Your body recognizes these features and classifies things as foreign or native to your body and responds as such.

Traditional vaccines inject a deactivated version of the virus that still has the spike protein shape, and your body recognizes it's foreign and develops a immune response.

mRNA gets your own body to create an empty spike protein. It doesn't have instructions for the complete virus.so your body recognizes it as foreign and develops an immune response.

The idea is its alot safer because the manufacturing process of the deactivated virus in traditional vaccines has alot of possible issues, and your body processes and breaks down mrna very fast so there is little left in your body.

mRNA has been coming for a long time now and is going to be a revolutionary type technology. I have been familiar with the technology because of investing in pharmaceutical stocks for a decade plus, but im not a scientist or a doctor.

It basically does the exact same thing traditional vaccines do but takes a different avenue.

Posted by HammerJackFlash
Member since Sep 2018
833 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:40 am to
“NBC News has found that at least 125,000 fully vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid and 1,400 of those have died. Still, the 125,682 “breakthrough” cases in 38 states found by NBC News represented less than 0.08% of the 164.2 million-plus people (and counting) who have been fully vaccinated since the start of the year, or about one in every 1,300.”

Based on the reported numbers, 1 in 89.29 fully vaccinated Americans have died from COVID.

Allow me to rephrase that statement. Based on the reported numbers, 1 in 89.29 fully vaccinated Americans who have tested positive for COVID after vaccination have died.

Let me show my work:

125,000 fully vaccinated tested positive
1,400 of those have died

125,000/1400= 89.29

So 1 in every 89.29 fully vaccinated have not survived after testing positive.

Yeah, the numbers are absolutely shocking, that’s why they aren’t reporting this.

I don’t want this to be true anymore than you do, because the majority of people I know have been vaccinated.

Keep in mind, these numbers are from the mainstream. If you have to, read the original post as many times as needed, and do the math yourself. I’d love for someone to prove me wrong.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 9:43 am
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76211 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:41 am to
Oh, sweetie



You believe that because of the vaccine they are having a worse time?
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 9:43 am
Posted by saderade
America's City
Member since Jul 2005
26243 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:44 am to
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think the vaccine is just masking symptoms. We already know that many unvaccinated get COVID but are completely asymptomatic. We know that the “vaccine” reduces symptoms and severi
If the body recognizes the virus, elicits an immune response, and eliminates the virus then that person is much less likely to spread the virus to other people.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:44 am to
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I’d love for someone to prove me wrong.


I don’t think that’s gonna be really difficult considering how fricking dumb you appear to be right now
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76211 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:46 am to
He fished out very specific numbers to paint a picture.

He neglects why the same people who are more likely to have a breakthrough case would also be the most likely to die from covid in general.
Posted by HammerJackFlash
Member since Sep 2018
833 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:46 am to
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I don’t think that’s gonna be really difficult considering how fricking dumb you appear to be right now


That’s what someone says who can’t prove the numbers wrong.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 9:47 am to
You haven’t provided how many Americans have been vaccinated
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