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re: US SC strikes down Harvard and UNC race-based affirmative action programs.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:14 pm to HeLeakin
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:14 pm to HeLeakin
What this all boils down to is if you inherently think AA is good, you believe that POC's dont have the capability to gain in a meritocracy which is inherently racist.
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Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:14 pm to Deactived
my favorite c on z moment was a couple weeks back, when he as a white man, tried to explain to an actual african american poster, they had no idea what racism felt like.
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:15 pm to tigercross
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You may note that in those paragraphs you posted there is not a single mention of a statute or jurisprudence. It's just a bunch of feelings. The job of the Supreme Court isn't to make everyone feel happy, it's to enforce the Constitution.
Exactly, she puts race before the very duty that she’s been given.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:17 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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So your argument is that racism in the form of race based admissions should be allowed because of legacy admissions? Talk about a reach. I mean good try I guess but your opinion is stupid.
They get their talking points and stick to them.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:18 pm to upgrayedd
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They get their talking points and stick to them.
The crazy thing is they dont understand this wasnt under discussion via SCOTUS and if they want this removed they can simply sue. In reality the legacy thing is a bipartisan issue.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:18 pm to Breauxsif
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Medical schools need to abolish the whole “holistic” approach to admission standards, and letting unqualified minorities in. The MCAT is in place for a reason in the medical field and should never be waived for African Americans, for muh reparations.
The AMA is one of the wokest organizations in this country
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:19 pm to nvasil1
quote:FIFY
The New York Times
@nytimes
Breaking News: The Supreme Court rejected affirmative action at Harvard and UNC. The major ruling curtails race-conscious college admissions in the U.S., all but ensuring that elite institutions become whiter and more Asian and less Black and Latino because everyone knows they are too stupid to get into these schools without quotas.
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:22 pm to c on z
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That of course is a byproduct of past segregation which had to be fixed through laws, including affirmative action.
This is where you and I will disagree fundamentally. Legally prohibiting segregation or admission based on race or ethnicity is a good thing. No one should be judged because of something he cannot control or change.
Affirmative action is quite literally the opposite of that. It places massive emphasis on an immutable characteristic that a person cannot change and is not responsible for.
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If colorblindness is the prevailing perspective, it still leaves a gaping hole when it comes to dealing with the legacy students when the vast majority of those are white.
I didn’t realize legacy students were such a huge problem in college admissions. What percentage of students get in simply because they are “legacy” as opposed to rich parents donating $10’s of 1,000’s to universities?
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If schools go on to give favor to legacy students as they always have, then it will not be the victory in terms of race that some people (namely Asians) think it will be.
Is that why the percentage of Asian students in colleges and universities has been on a meteoric rise the last 25 years? Because affirmative action?
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:23 pm to 50_Tiger
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The crazy thing is they dont understand this wasnt under discussion via SCOTUS and if they want this removed they can simply sue. In reality the legacy thing is a bipartisan issue.
They're just grasping at straws like they always do.
They need to make it sound like this ruling is going to make Harvard look like a Hitler youth camp.
The hilarious part is watching all these "progressives" yelling about how black people will never make it to college now because they're not smart enough to get in on their own merits then cry racism
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:23 pm to Klark Kent
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my favorite c on z moment was a couple weeks back, when he as a white man, tried to explain to an actual african american poster, they had no idea what racism felt like.
The absolute hubris it takes to do that is really off the charts. This is why it is impossible to coexist with people like that.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:24 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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your argument is that racism in the form of race based admissions should be allowed because of legacy admissions? Talk about a reach. I mean good try I guess but your opinion is stupid.
No, he's saying that legacy admissions put black people at a disadvantage because they weren't always allowed to go to some schools. You can't be a legacy at a school your ancestor wasn't allowed to attend.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:26 pm to BregmansWheelbarrow
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Here’s a LINK to Michelle Obamas opinion. According to her, scholarships, including athletic scholarships, are for white people and you have to be rich to afford coaches to get them.
I remember reading an article a while back that the percentage of first time college attendees as the % of athletic scholarship recipients is dropping dramatically, and that number is driven overwhelmingly by African American students.
It makes sense if you think about it, the mom or dad was a good enough athlete to get a scholarship, and may have partnered with another athlete to give birth to a super athletic kid. Also, those parents are potentially college graduates and potentially high wage earners. Therefore more likely able to pay private coaches.
It’s not a white thing, it’s a rich thing.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:26 pm to RLDSC FAN
If I am black and now get accepted to Harvard, I’m ecstatic. Everyone will know that I got there on my merits and not my skin tone. We need the absolute best minds to succeed, regardless.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:29 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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The absolute hubris it takes to do that is really off the charts. This is why it is impossible to coexist with people like that.
This is pretty typical of those morons
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:40 pm to c on z
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If schools go on to give favor to legacy students as they always have, then it will not be the victory in terms of race that some people (namely Asians) think it will be.
And if those legacy students are minorities? Is that ok then?
Posted on 6/29/23 at 2:00 pm to Centinel
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And if those legacy students are minorities? Is that ok then?
Of course.
No white people should be allowed anywhere. Except him. Someone has to save thise poor brown people
Posted on 6/29/23 at 2:12 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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I don’t have the time to read the whole thing just like I don’t have time to read the whole Thomas opinion. Could you post some key excerpts like some have done of the Thomas opinion?
Justice Jackson puts on an absolute clinic in arguing anything and everything except that which is relevant to the issue. She goes into length describing the horrors of historical social and government policies that dictated results based on race and not merit only to conclude that it now necessitates the Court upholding a system of policies that dictate results based on race and not merit.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 2:19 pm to Antonio Moss
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Justice Jackson puts on an absolute clinic in arguing anything and everything except that which is relevant to the issue. She goes into length describing the horrors of historical social and government policies that dictated results based on race and not merit only to conclude that it now necessitates the Court upholding a system of policies that dictate results based on race and not merit.
Well said.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 2:25 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:kinda ironical that both Jackson and Thomas are on the court for reasons other than merit. Remember Thomas had been a judge for a little over one year when he was nominated
She goes into length describing the horrors of historical social and government policies that dictated results based on race and not merit only to conclude that it now necessitates the Court upholding a system of policies that dictate results based on race and not merit.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 2:32 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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It’s not a white thing, it’s a rich thing.
Biden admitted as much in the brief speech he just gave. Of course he disagreed with the ruling, but then he offered up talking points stating that the higher the household income, the more likely a student is to be admitted to college.
Then he made other points about equal opportunity, diversity being our strength, and discrimination still existing in America, all of which basically supported the ruling.
Progressives are really twisting in the wind on this one.
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