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re: US Pilots reporting the 737 MAX 8 tilting down after turning autopilot on
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:44 am to Cold Drink
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:44 am to Cold Drink
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:48 am to Clint Torres
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SWA bought them for Hawaii service
They are opperating everywhere though. I have been on a few out of Dallas recently.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:51 am to Reda LSU
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It's obviously an issue and AA and Southwest have a shite ton of other planes they could use to fly.
You don’t actually believe that, so you? That airlines just have tons of spare airplanes sitting around and ready to fly at the onset of a crisis such as this? Especially with regards to SWA who is having labor problems with their mechanics and have fewer aircraft than normal available.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:51 am to Reda LSU
quote:this is a problem. How else you supposed to be able to surf the internet if you can't engage the autopilot?
The pilots said that soon after engaging the autopilot on Boeing 737 Max 8 planes, the nose tilted down sharply. In both cases, they recovered quickly after disconnecting the autopilot.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:58 am to Reda LSU
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US Pilots reporting the 737 MAX 8 tilting down after turning autopilot on
There were reports back in October and November of pilots at US based airlines reporting the "nose down" behavior when the plane is switched to autopilot. Either luck or training prevented a crash.
IMO there is a problem with the Max that justifies airlines and passengers being concerned with flying on them. Boeing is working on a software update that the FAA will make mandatory in April.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 10:00 am
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:00 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Forgiven airlines train their pilots to push certain buttons at certain times without any real understanding of what’s actually happening when they turn something on or off other than the fact that they’ve turned something on or off.
Unfortunately, AQP is only slightly better. Only good thing is that most pilots in the US have a solid foundation whether military or civilian career path to dig into the systems, charts, and AOM. AQP saves companies a lot of money on training, so I think it is here to stay.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:04 am to Reda LSU
So they’re basing this on 2 occurrences?
How many of these planes fly a day?
How many of these planes fly a day?
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:10 am to TnMountaineer
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hot flight attendants.
Most of the flights I have been on recently, the flight attendants have been flaming homosexuals.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:11 am to Cold Drink
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One on the right wants to speak to the manager.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:11 am to Hangover Haven
U.S. pilots know how to fly planes on override. That’s the difference between westernized countries and Ethiopia airlines and other crappy regulated industries.
I talked to a pilot and he told me this exact info. Says that pilots from other countries are trained and delendent on autopilot and waste time troubleshooting the computer instead of flying manually.
I talked to a pilot and he told me this exact info. Says that pilots from other countries are trained and delendent on autopilot and waste time troubleshooting the computer instead of flying manually.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 10:12 am
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:13 am to Hangover Haven
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So they’re basing this on 2 occurrences?
How many of these planes fly a day?
2 reported Occurrences.
I cant imagine how many times this has happened in the US where a US pilot might be afraid to say something. Also, we aren't even getting international data on this where im sure training is worse and that data is kept in house.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 10:14 am
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:13 am to Reda LSU
People like to constantly bang on over-regulation in the US, but this is precisely why we need government regulations. Private companies generally can't be trusted to do the right thing.
Not really. A few weeks ago Southwest had a slightly higher than normal number of planes out on maintenance work, and it was causing all sorts of scheduling problems.
But tough shite. Boeing needs to get this programming error fixed ASAP on the autopilot, and FAA immediately mandate it. Perhaps if FAA shuts these planes down, it would light a fire under Boeing to get it fixed.
Sounds like the error is in the autopilot, and when it's turned off, if the anti-stall kicks in, the pilots don't know how to handle it.
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AA and Southwest have a shite ton of other planes they could use to fly.
Not really. A few weeks ago Southwest had a slightly higher than normal number of planes out on maintenance work, and it was causing all sorts of scheduling problems.
But tough shite. Boeing needs to get this programming error fixed ASAP on the autopilot, and FAA immediately mandate it. Perhaps if FAA shuts these planes down, it would light a fire under Boeing to get it fixed.
Sounds like the error is in the autopilot, and when it's turned off, if the anti-stall kicks in, the pilots don't know how to handle it.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:14 am to Hangover Haven
Two occurrences in 6 months immediately after being introduced is beyond shitty - like, shittiest in modern aviation history - and they should be grounded everywhere. These “third world pilots” weren’t flying planes into the ground prior to the Max8.
I don’t know about you but I don’t want to fly on a plane that requires highly skilled measures from a pilot with military background to keep the damn thing from dive bombing.
I don’t know about you but I don’t want to fly on a plane that requires highly skilled measures from a pilot with military background to keep the damn thing from dive bombing.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 10:19 am
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:16 am to L S Usetheforce
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U.S. pilots know how to fly planes on override.
I wonder, at what point does autopilot kick in? Does the plane takeoff on autopilot? Can it be used during the climb?
I always thought autopilot was similar to cruise control - when you are at speed, you set it to rest a bit.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:16 am to Reda LSU
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the sad but true aspect of the US FAA.
A big part of the FAA's stated mission is to support as much as possible the very airlines they regulate.--there's your answer.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:18 am to the4thgen
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They are opperating everywhere though. I have been on a few out of Dallas recently.
Flew from Dallas to LAX on Monday via Southwest, it was a Max8. One passenger got off after she saw the model on the saftey card. I'm not going to lie, I was more nervous on that flight than any I've been on in quite a while. The flight from LAX back to Louisiana was not a Max8, but if it was I might have switched honestly.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:19 am to TigerGman
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A big part of the FAA's stated mission is to support as much as possible the very airlines they regulate.--there's your answer.
isn't that essentially a conflict of interests...
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:20 am to LSUFanHouston
quote:When the pilot turns it on.
I wonder, at what point does autopilot kick in?
quote:No
Does the plane takeoff on autopilot?
quote:Yes
Can it be used during the climb?
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:20 am to Reda LSU
Flew on a 737 Max 9 with United about a week before the crash. I had remembered reading about the issues on here last fall and was honestly scared as shite getting on that thing. Everything went fine, but I had trouble getting on a plane this week and asked which plane we were going to be on before I actually decided to board.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:22 am to Reda LSU
This is the best thing to happen to Airbus in quite some time
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