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US military could lose a war to China or Russia, study for Congress finds

Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:14 am
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:14 am
Idk if this should go here or the Poli Board, I know that military threads are started on the OT quite frequently though.

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WASHINGTON — The United States has lost its military edge to a dangerous degree and could potentially lose a war against China or Russia, according to a report released Wednesday by a bipartisan commission that Congress created to evaluate the Trump administration's defense strategy.

The National Defense Strategy Commission, comprised of former top Republican and Democratic officials selected by Congress, evaluated the Trump administration's 2018 National Defense Strategy, which ordered a vast reshaping of the U.S. military to compete with Beijing and Moscow in an era of renewed great-power competition.


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While endorsing the strategy's aims, the commission warned that Washington isn't moving fast enough or investing sufficiently to put the vision into practice, risking a further erosion of American military dominance that could become a national security emergency.

At the same time, according to the commission, China and Russia are seeking dominance in their regions and the ability to project military power globally, as their authoritarian governments pursue defense buildups aimed squarely at the United States.


And I think we have found the reason why they are saying this...

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The commission argued that despite a $716 billion American defense budget this year, which is four times the size of China's and more than 10 times that of Russia, the effort to reshape the U.S. defense establishment to counter current threats is under-resourced. It recommended that Congress lift budget caps on defense spending in the next two years that in the past have hobbled the military's ability to plan for the long term.

"It is beyond the scope of our work to identify the exact dollar amount required to fully fund the military's needs," the report concluded. "Yet available resources are clearly insufficient to fulfill the strategy's ambitious goals, including that of ensuring that (the Defense Department) can defeat a major-power adversary while deterring other enemies simultaneously."
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 11:16 am
Posted by STLDawg
The Lou
Member since Apr 2015
3675 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:17 am to
My first question is why would we want to fight? They coming to North America? If not, I don't care.
Posted by Captain Ron
Location: Ted's
Member since Dec 2012
4340 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:18 am to
Congress does a study that finds they need more money for (insert government funded entity)?

Who woulda thunk it?
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17119 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:18 am to
Sounds like a fluff piece drummed up/financed by military lobbyists
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259250 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:19 am to
Fear tactics

Limit the scope of our forces abroad, increase the power of domestic protection and rapid deployment.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17119 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:20 am to
The only area the US military lags behind is cyber. All other dimensions are stocked with fully superior platforms
Posted by Steadyhands
Slightly above I-10
Member since May 2016
6740 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:20 am to
quote:

Congress does a study that finds they need more money for (insert government funded entity)?

Who woulda thunk it?


No shite, has there ever been a government/Congressional study that said they needed less money
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
17507 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:20 am to
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former top Republican and Democratic officials selected by Congress make a money grab by playing warmongers to the mentally weak




Fixed
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
53632 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:21 am to
If there's an actual engagement in war against either, it won't really matter.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
34799 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:21 am to
Thanks millennials.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37365 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:21 am to
I’m very conservative ndvery pro military and this is my thoughts exactly. We are 4x higher spending than the next guy. Get more efficient and more effective. This is the problem with non war time militaries. They get fat and bloated
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22835 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:21 am to
As the first poster said, unless they’re invading why are we fighting them?
Posted by LarryDavid
Los Angeles
Member since Sep 2010
4207 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:21 am to
One hundred men will test today. But only three win the Green Beret.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
39111 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:26 am to
Our women and tranny troops will lead us to victory.
Posted by BHM
Member since Jun 2012
3137 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:28 am to
How many aircraft carriers do they have...combined? Oh and Russia's only one is sitting at the bottom of a dry dock right now with no clue how to raise it.



Only way we would lose is if nuclear missiles are launched in which case we would all lose.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:32 am to
I would just like to say that I am in complete agreement with everybody in here. This is all a ploy to get more $$$
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:32 am to
China possibly

Russia not a chance in hell
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90358 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:34 am to
Lol no they couldn’t. Barring use of nukes, we would obliterate Russia.

China as well as long as we don’t invade their land
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:34 am to
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Only way we would lose is if nuclear missiles are launched in which case we would all lose.


If China could figure out how to get their entire Army to the US to invade us, they would win that war. They outnumber us and they surely wouldn't care if they lost 100K troops the way we care.

The reality, of course , is that such an invasion is unlikely because A) China doesn't NEED to invade us to defeat us, and B) no matter what this stupid report says we are the superior Navy and Air Force and they arent getting one million soldiers into the US.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:35 am to
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How many aircraft carriers do they have...combined?
Aircraft carriers are today what the battleship was in 1941
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