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re: UPS Teamsters Unite
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:28 pm to Open Dore Policy
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:28 pm to Open Dore Policy
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I get to work a 3:00am on a good day to bust my arse loading trucks for $12.00 an hour.
So frick you.
Local 480 here
I mean no disrespect with what I’m about to write. None.
Getting up at 3:00 am and loading trucks sounds brutal. Doing it for $12/hr makes it even worse. I worked on a tow boat for a few years when I was younger, so I’m not above manual labor. But...
Loading trucks is not a skill that is in-demand. I’m not saying it’s unimportant. It just doesn’t require any special skills....kinda like a deckhand on a tow boat.
So you form a union to hold employers hostage. That’s just not right. Maybe if working conditions were terrible or the job was unsafe, a union would be reasonable. But there are laws now that protect workers and business owners are taxed to hell and back to pay for the enforcement of those laws. Unions are unfair and unnecessary
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:29 pm to pioneerbasketball
frick I got some important shite in the UPS mail right now.
I always use fedex and I hate it when my vendors send me a UPS return envelope
I always use fedex and I hate it when my vendors send me a UPS return envelope
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:29 pm to Picayuner
FWIW I order a shite ton of packages to my home in a small town rural area and I've never had an issue with USPS and UPS. I've had a couple issues with FedEx but nothing major or frequent.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:31 pm to Pecker
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Is this where you suggest that a vote for someone is an unequivocal endorsement of all their positions?
Funny thing about that. I pretty much unequivocally endorse all of Donald Trump's positions and I didn't even vote for him.
Who'da thunk it?
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:33 pm to pioneerbasketball
Union member out here in the trenches. I can guarantee you that our company would pay us far, far less if we weren’t Union. Hell, they’d probably farm our work out to subcontractors if they could.
I’m a Libertarian politically, but I can definitely see the utility of unions.
What is the intrinsic problem with a group of employees banding together to leverage their talent/ability against a company’s profitability? There will invariably be abuses, but, on the whole, unions are nothing more than a tool to ensure workers are treated fairly.
I’m a Libertarian politically, but I can definitely see the utility of unions.
What is the intrinsic problem with a group of employees banding together to leverage their talent/ability against a company’s profitability? There will invariably be abuses, but, on the whole, unions are nothing more than a tool to ensure workers are treated fairly.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:35 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Unions exist to help keep the company from running roughshod over their employees. It's not a coincidence that the rise in corporate wealth coincides with union busting.
Yeah, unions have issues. I'll take those issues and some leverage against management than supposedly no issues and having no leverage whatsoever. If it hurts the company's growth a bit, oh well. Let's not act as if wages have increased with the decline of unions. It's part of why wages have stagnated the past few decades. Companies will never offer more to help their employees out. All you'll hear is we can't afford it as share value increases and the CEOs wages skyrocket.
I'm not writing an expose on TD, but you're really uninformed. A few key points:
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Unions exist to help keep the company from running roughshod over their employees. It's not a coincidence that the rise in corporate wealth coincides with union busting.
You're right that Unions were formed to protect workers, but from working to death not to negotiate wages for unskilled labor. The development of a service economy has ten folds more to do with corporate wealth than the dissolution of unions.
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Let's not act as if wages have increased with the decline of unions. It's part of why wages have stagnated the past few decades
Rapid development of technology and the needed skills of the workforce along with retarded policies by Boomers are the cause of this.
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All you'll hear is we can't afford it as share value increases and the CEOs wages skyrocket.
CEO's can now be prosecuted criminally for things that go on in their organizations. The risk and work of being a CEO is infinitely higher than even 25 years ago. I'm not saying that all CEO pay is justified, but your simplistic view is just not correct.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:35 pm to Tyga Woods
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I’m all for making as much money as the market will allow, but what skills do drivers possess that justifies anything more than $10-12/hr. Not being ugly, serious question. Thanks. I’ll hang up and listen. Thanks
I'm not defending unions here I just wanted to make this point.
You're falsely equating value to skills only and not considering the physical difficulty of the job. That too has value.
No one would claim that ditch diggers and garbage men require a lot of skill or training but no one's going to deny how physically demanding those jobs are and how few people want to do them therefore, in my mind, they should be paid more than say a cashier at a grocery store or some other position that may require slightly more skill but is much less physically demanding.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:37 pm to Tyga Woods
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Maybe if working conditions were terrible or the job was unsafe, a union would be reasonable.
Without unions, working conditions would be unsafe and unfair.
It's in corporate interest to exploit blue collar workers.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:38 pm to wadewilson
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Without unions, working conditions would be unsafe and unfair.
It's not 1884 bro
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:38 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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CEO's can now be prosecuted criminally for things that go on in their organizations
Key word - can.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:38 pm to FCP
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talent/ability
If you truly have unique talent, you don’t need a union.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:39 pm to redneck
FedEx is way better for shipping than UPS anyways. We ship almost everything fedex
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:39 pm to philabuck
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Key word - can.
I'm not sure your point. It's a very simple concept, more risk, the more return (money) one has to get to accept the deal.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:42 pm to nola000
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in my mind, they should be paid more than say a cashier at a grocery store
Then let the free market take care of it.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:44 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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It's a very simple concept, more risk, the more return
How often do CEOs get thrown in jail for something they had no direct knowledge of?
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:45 pm to Pecker
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In the absence of government regulation, there is no basis for unions to exist. They cater to the weakest members of any industry. If you rely on them, it's because you don't provide enough value to justify your compensation.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:49 pm to Disgeaux Bob
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Would you trust a $10/hour quality employee to deliver 75k-100k worth of goods for you everyday...Which you are ultimately liable for if stolen or damaged? I don't think so....You give a $10 pizza to a $10/hr employee for delivery and thats about it
You are correct and the market would bear this out without the interference of the unions. Unions do what any large bureaucratic group(government) does, skews the market.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:52 pm to philabuck
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How often do CEOs get thrown in jail for something they had no direct knowledge of?
If the Courts decide you didn't know something was going on that you should have known. I'm not saying they shouldn't be punished for that, I'm just telling you that used to not be the case.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:54 pm to nola000
Exactly. I came here to post this same sentiment.
FREE MARKET MOTHERfrickERS.
Let the market decide who deserves what for what skills and knowledge. It only gets fricked up when we start adding rules and regulations. Government needs to get the frick out of private peoples business.
FREE MARKET MOTHERfrickERS.
Let the market decide who deserves what for what skills and knowledge. It only gets fricked up when we start adding rules and regulations. Government needs to get the frick out of private peoples business.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:57 pm to deltaland
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bullshite. I work on the farm in this heat every day and never turn off my F250 and keep the air on full blast and I guarantee I get in and out of it 100 times a day. Never affected me
Good for you dipshit. The other 300 drivers that worked at my hub would disagree but what would we know. I guarantee you didn’t experience the 125° heat, which is pretty standard during the summer, in the back of the truck where the packages are kept. … we were riding around in a box truck and not some cushy F250… But thanks for your input.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 8:08 pm
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