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Upper-class parents are raising their children better than lower/middle-class
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:18 am
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:18 am
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Silicon Valley parents are raising their kids tech-free — and it should be a red flag
- Silicon Valley parents can see firsthand, either through living or working in the Bay Area, that technology is potentially harmful to kids.
- Many parents are now restricting, or outright banning, screen time for their children.
- The trend follows a long-standing practice among high-level tech executives who have set limits for their own children for years.
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There are no video game systems inside the Koduri household, and neither child has their own cell phone yet. Saurav and Roshni can play games on their parents' phones, but only for 10 minutes per week. Koduri and Shahi represent a new kind of Silicon Valley parent. Limiting — and sometimes outright banning — how much screen time their kids get.
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A 2017 survey conducted by the Silicon Valley Community Foundation found that many parents now have serious concerns about tech's impact on kids' psychological and social development.
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Boissiere will go to great lengths to prevent her kids, 2-year-old Jack and 5-year-old Elise, from having even the most basic interactions with technology. She and her husband haven't installed any TVs in the house, and they avoid all cell-phone use in the kids' presence.
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Silicon Valley's low- and anti-tech parents may seem overly cautious, but they actually follow longstanding practices of former and current tech giants like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Tim Cook. In 2007, Gates, the former CEO of Microsoft, implemented a cap on screen time when his daughter started developing an unhealthy attachment to a video game. Later it became family policy not to allow kids to have their own phones until they turned 14. Today, the average American child get their first phone around age 10.
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Jobs, the CEO of Apple until his death in 2012, revealed in a 2011 New York Times interview that he prohibited his kids from using the newly-released iPad. "We limit how much technology our kids use at home," Jobs told reporter Nick Bilton.
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Many parents who spoke to Business Insider said their best defense against tech addiction is to introduce replacement activities or find ways to use tech more productively.
We got a lot of lazy parents out there bros; they hand their kids an ipad or vidya game and go on about their day, because that's infinitely easier than, you know, actual parenting. Never mind that the child is being stunted socially and intellectually. And no, forcing junior to play baseball year-round because you think he'll buy you a bigger house one day is not an example of good parenting.
Meanwhile, in upper-crust America, we got parents substituting ipad-nannies for books, piano lessons, foreign language lessons, and dynamic social interaction.
Your boy Pecker says these things because he cares. If I can motivate just one shitty parent to raise their child better then I know I've made the world is a better place.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 9:22 am
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:22 am to Pecker
The only thing I would worry about when it comes to cutting my hypothetical children off from electronics is isolating them socially. All of the other kids pretty much exclusively communicate with each other via all of these apps. Kids rarely hang out in person any more outside of school and they tend to plan when they get together on social media. They don't all sit in a room together and play Mario Kart and Smash Bros. They sit in their rooms, at their own houses, and play against each other via X-box live and its equivalents on other systems.
Unless you live somewhere where a bunch of the other kids' parents are doing the same thing, as they get older (especially middle school age), denying them access to that technology will leave them increasingly isolated socially from their peers. You don't have to be a therapist to see that there could be some unintended consequences of a tech-free home.
Unless you live somewhere where a bunch of the other kids' parents are doing the same thing, as they get older (especially middle school age), denying them access to that technology will leave them increasingly isolated socially from their peers. You don't have to be a therapist to see that there could be some unintended consequences of a tech-free home.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 9:22 am
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:22 am to Pecker
Why be a parent to your kid when you can just put a screen in front of them and they sit still and shut up?
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:23 am to Pecker
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Meanwhile, in upper-crust America, we got parents substituting ipad-nannies for books, piano lessons, foreign language lessons, and dynamic social interaction.
Damn shame lower income households don't have a piano in the living room. Too bad there isn't a big back yard for inner city kids to go build a fort. Shitty for single parent households to not hire a nanny to bring the little ones to tennis at the country club.
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Unless you live somewhere where a bunch of the other kids' parents are doing the same thing, as they get older (especially middle school age), denying them access to that technology will leave them increasingly isolated socially from their peers
All part of the long game. Make your children nerds and shunned by their peers. They will spend all their time reading academic books and studying. Child grows up to be smart, high aspirations, and strong drive to achieve all because they desperately want to have enough money so that they will never be without friends again.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 9:26 am
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:24 am to Pecker
Sending kids off to Military School. They'll learn to deploy a claymore before they turn on an iPad.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:27 am to kingbob
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The only thing I would worry about when it comes to cutting my hypothetical children off from electronics is isolating them socially. All of the other kids pretty much exclusively communicate with each other via all of these apps. Kids rarely hang out in person any more outside of school
Limiting electronics would force them to pursue other means of interaction. Use it as an opportunity to get them involved in activities that require in-person interaction and psychological development.
It seems like a poor parenting strategy to knowingly stunt your children's development because you're worried they won't have friends. They'll just end up with friends who also never developed.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:30 am to kingbob
quote:Not necessarily tech free, but maybe offer healthy alternatives.
Unless you live somewhere where a bunch of the other kids' parents are doing the same thing, as they get older (especially middle school age), denying them access to that technology will leave them increasingly isolated socially from their peers. You don't have to be a therapist to see that there could be some unintended consequences of a tech-free home.
Ipad parents won't mind if YOU do the work to set up activities for the kids. It'll just take a bit more work and sacrifice on your part to enrich the lives of your kids... because it means including additional kids from other homes.
Set up some camping trips with other families.
Offer to give little jimmy from next door a ride to tennis.
Let your kids take a friend on the beach or ski trip.
Get that neighborhood golf cart so they can all play together.
Find some things that your kids are passionate about and immerse them in that instead of youtube.
... Remove the barriers to social interaction. Tech isn't the only way to do that!
Yes, you may have to help cultivate the community in which you want to raise your kids. But it's worth it.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:31 am to kingbob
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The only thing I would worry about when it comes to cutting my hypothetical children off from electronics is isolating them socially. All of the other kids pretty much exclusively communicate with each other via all of these apps. Kids rarely hang out in person any more outside of school and they tend to plan when they get together on social media. They don't all sit in a room together and play Mario Kart and Smash Bros. They sit in their rooms, at their own houses, and play against each other via X-box live and its equivalents on other systems.
Unless you live somewhere where a bunch of the other kids' parents are doing the same thing, as they get older (especially middle school age), denying them access to that technology will leave them increasingly isolated socially from their peers. You don't have to be a therapist to see that there could be some unintended consequences of a tech-free home.
I would argue that a child would be better off with a few real face to face relationships, whether between peers, family members, or neighbors, than a bunch of phony interactions via technology. I think the research bears that out.
There will be time to connect online. It's not hard to figure out how to use a smartphone or gaming console. Those of us on this board learned how, but most of us only after adolescence. I'm coming to believe tech should be considered like alcohol. Fine for adults in moderation, but only in limited measures for children, if at all. Whether the drinking age should be 18 or 21 is an arguable point, but no reasonable person thinks it should be 11 or 12.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:32 am to Pecker
I mean Technology was around 30+ years ago... not much different. Cell Phones/tablets are the only real new gadget...
We had TVs, Gameboys, Sega etc.
Technology is just going to keep improving and is part of our lives, you just have to have a good balance.
We had TVs, Gameboys, Sega etc.
Technology is just going to keep improving and is part of our lives, you just have to have a good balance.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:32 am to Saskwatch
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Damn shame lower income households don't have a piano in the living room. Too bad there isn't a big back yard for inner city kids to go build a fort. Shitty for single parent households to not hire a nanny to bring the little ones to tennis at the country club.
So what you're telling me is that lower/middle-class parents dont have the money for weekly or bi-weekly piano lessons, or foreign language lessons? Instead they'll buy ipads, large TVs, video game systems, and video games, and let those devices raise their children.
Makes sense
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:33 am to Pecker
does this even have to be said?
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:33 am to Pecker
My sibling is one of these parents in the Bay Area
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:33 am to Pecker
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Pecker
Good to see you're back. Now can I get an animal thread?
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 9:35 am
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:34 am to Pecker
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Upper-class parents are raising their children better than lower/middle-class
Well, I'll be damned. I never would have guessed this
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:36 am to Pecker
Good! I have 2 kids and try to limit their screen time as much as possible.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:38 am to Pecker
No way my future kids get a cell phone before high school. I just see how these kids behave and I want no part of it.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:39 am to Pecker
Giving your kids access to technology early on gives them skills with technology later on, which is useful in almost any career field
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:40 am to jlovel7
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No way my future kids get a cell phone before high school. I just see how these kids behave and I want no part of it.
You can set up your phone for texting only. I would like my kids to have one to be able to get in touch with them.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:42 am to Upperdecker
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Giving your kids access to technology early on gives them skills with technology later on, which is useful in almost any career field
Right. But it needs to happen in moderation. You can't just give them unfiltered access and they still need a balance of real world interaction and social skills.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:42 am to Pecker
thanks for the 10-month-old news story
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