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re: Upper-class parents are raising their children better than lower/middle-class

Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:50 am to
Posted by whoisnickdoobs
Lafayette
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:50 am to
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Hasn't it been established in past parent-bashing threads you started that you don't have kids of your own? Or am I confusing you with another troll?


Are you one of those "tech savvy" parents who buys their 2 year old an i-pad cause it "teaches them colors" and then gets offended when someone without a kid suggests maybe it's not the best idea?
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:50 am to
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Letting a kid play on an ipad or sending him to piano lessons does not make someone a good parent one way or the other.


Please tell me you're joking.

Yeah, a parent can sign their kid up for piano lessons just to "get them out of their hair," but at least playing the piano develops both physical and intellectual abilities and teaches them a skill with some value (perhaps lots of value should they choose to continue pursuing it.)
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 10:53 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:52 am to
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Please tell me you're joking.


No, or course I'm not joking.

If you think you an tell whether or not someone is a good parent based on whether the child plays on an iPad or goes to piano lessons, you're crazy.

ETA - There are plenty of shithead kids who take piano lessons and there are plenty of great kids who play on ipads. Talking about it in such extremes is asinine.

This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 10:54 am
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:52 am to
Maybe not from that one single item, but they are definitely indicators.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9128 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:53 am to
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If you think you an tell whether or not someone is a good parent based on whether the child plays on an iPad or goes to piano lessons, you're crazy.



No, you can't tell from that simple observation if the person is a good parent or not.

But learning to play the piano is a hell of a lot more valuable than playing Angry Birds.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 10:54 am
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:53 am to
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Giving your kids access to technology early on gives them skills with technology later on, which is useful in almost any career field

nonsense


Yeah, I don't buy that either. Kids have enough access to technology outside of the home that they don't need to inundated with more tech in the home to be able to learn and adapt to new technology. The downsides to having a 5-10 year old glued to an iPad far outweigh whatever ostensible benefits there may be.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:57 am to
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No, you can't tell from that simple observation if the person is a good parent or not. But learning to play the piano is a hell of lot more valuable than playing Angry Birds.








Well that's my point. This idea that parents who let their kids use an iPad or watch TV are raising kids better than the parents in this article is ludicrous. It's one part of a much larger puzzle.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:58 am to
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Letting a kid play on an ipad or sending him to piano lessons does not make someone a good parent one way or the other. You're confusing their extracurricular activities with parenting.


Parents can, by and large, dictate their children's activities, especially young children. One of the roles of a parent is to promote activities that better serve their development and prepare them for adulthood. I'd call that parenting.
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
34733 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:59 am to
We only let out kids look at electronics on weekends, I must be a smart middle classer...
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 10:59 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:59 am to
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Yeah, I don't buy that either. Kids have enough access to technology outside of the home that they don't need to inundated with more tech in the home to be able to learn and adapt to new technology. The downsides to having a 5-10 year old glued to an iPad far outweigh whatever ostensible benefits there may be.




Neither do I, but why must it be so extreme? Why can't you have a 5-10 year old who plays on an iPad for an hour or two each day?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:00 am to
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Please tell me you're joking.


He's not. And he's right. Far too many variables to issue a blanket statement saying one is better than another
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:01 am to
No. I'm one of those normal people who roll their eyes at a 20 something year old unmarried, no kid having queer lecturing us about parenting.

I actually agree with the subject matter.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:01 am to
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Parents can, by and large, dictate their children's activities, especially young children. One of the roles of a parent is to promote activities that better serve their development and prepare them for adulthood. I'd call that parenting.


But it's a small piece of the puzzle Pecker.

If I wanted to know one thing about the parenting skills of a couple, whether their kid plays on an ipad each day is quite far down the list of questions I'd ask.
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
33054 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:02 am to
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Why can't you have a 5-10 year old who plays on an iPad for an hour or two each day?

Is that kid contributing to the childhood obesity epidemic? If so, put down the iPad and go play outside.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:02 am to
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Neither do I, but why must it be so extreme? Why can't you have a 5-10 year old who plays on an iPad for an hour or two each day?


Who said it must be extreme? We have examples of parents who go to the extreme when it comes to the limiting of their children's access to tech, but that's not the underlying principle here.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9128 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:03 am to
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Well that's my point. This idea that parents who let their kids use an iPad or watch TV are raising kids better than the parents in this article is ludicrous. It's one part of a much larger puzzle.


I think you're the one who's separating this issue into extremes.

I don't think anyone ever claimed that sending your kid to piano lessons magically and unequivocally makes you a great parent.

Rather, considering recent research on device and social media use, there are trends which suggest that excessive use stunts a child's cognitive development.

The idea is that there are much healthier and beneficial forms of extracurricular activity which good parents should be encouraging. And then there are unhealthy forms of activity which good parents should be discouraging.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:05 am to
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But it's a small piece of the puzzle Pecker.


Correct.

High functioning kids most likely get bored with the general riff raff on the net anyway and have varied interests without being forced.

Parental involvement is still far more important than activity.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:06 am to
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But it's a small piece of the puzzle Pecker.

If I wanted to know one thing about the parenting skills of a couple, whether their kid plays on an ipad each day is quite far down the list of questions I'd ask.


I'd argue that time spent is a huge piece of the puzzle. What we spend our time on speaks to who we are. This is true for adults and children. I'd suggest that it says a great deal about parents because they can dictate what their children spend their time on.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 11:09 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112530 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:06 am to
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Please tell me you're joking.
Please tell me you are joking


There are plenty of well rounded, well educated children that spent time learning multiple languages and the arts who will tell you their parents were shitty parents who just sent them off so they didnt have to deal with them


slack is not saying an iphone is better than piano lessons
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:07 am to
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Who said it must be extreme? We have examples of parents who go to the extreme when it comes to the limiting of their children's access to tech, but that's not the underlying principle here.


Well what's the point then? I think the majority of folks here think moderation is key.

You've got people in this article who don't have TVs in their house. Anecdotal evidence tells me that kid will probably have social issues on the other end of the spectrum as someone who plays on an iPad 10 hours a day.
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