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re: Update: Pilots in Ethiopian Air crash followed Boeing’s emergency procedures
Posted on 4/3/19 at 11:39 am to Napoleon
Posted on 4/3/19 at 11:39 am to Napoleon
Two things... Had Boeing just st up with the 757 a little longer.....
And automation in these planes can be a huge asset with cockpit management and workload... but at the end of the day, it’s the pilots job to fly the damn plane, not the planes job... Boeing needs to answer that question better why it made a plane that isn’t letting that happen.
I’m actually in flight school right now and plenty of people love flying the shinny new planes with glsss cockpits and autopilots. Don’t get me wrong they’re sharp AF, but my flight instructor has made me fly every flight with only the basic six pack and a manual trim tab for every flight.... if we’re flying three hours XC, were flying those three hours by hand the whole way. It’s honestly the best thing he’s done for me to build to make me a better pilot and not rely on any automation.
And automation in these planes can be a huge asset with cockpit management and workload... but at the end of the day, it’s the pilots job to fly the damn plane, not the planes job... Boeing needs to answer that question better why it made a plane that isn’t letting that happen.
I’m actually in flight school right now and plenty of people love flying the shinny new planes with glsss cockpits and autopilots. Don’t get me wrong they’re sharp AF, but my flight instructor has made me fly every flight with only the basic six pack and a manual trim tab for every flight.... if we’re flying three hours XC, were flying those three hours by hand the whole way. It’s honestly the best thing he’s done for me to build to make me a better pilot and not rely on any automation.
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:37 pm to Tiger Stadium 11
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it’s the pilots job to fly the damn plane, not the planes job...
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:40 pm to Jester
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it’s the pilots job to fly the damn plane, not the planes job...
similar to a 1L future barrister, there is no one that knows more about the law
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:46 pm to Tiger Stadium 11
quote:because the airline executives wanted it this way.
Boeing needs to answer that question better why it made a plane that isn’t letting that happen.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:44 pm to Cold Drink
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Curious what the pilots here think about this video. LINK
And just like the video is gone. Mustve been some truth in it.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:48 pm to kengel2
Didn’t watch the whole thing but the first thing I thought is posting that video is really frowned on by a lot a federal agencies.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 7:17 pm to Napoleon
Best breakdown I've seen yet
Posted on 4/3/19 at 7:22 pm to RedRifle
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It wasn’t immediately clear why the pilots turned the automated system back on instead of continuing to follow Boeing’s standard emergency checklist,
Probably because:
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persistent steep nose-down angle.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 7:26 pm to 777Tiger
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Didn’t watch the whole thing but the first thing I thought is posting that video is really frowned on by a lot a federal agencies
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd, it's gone.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 7:27 pm to RedRifle
Rip to all effected
But I blame boeing company for the failure
But I blame boeing company for the failure
Posted on 4/3/19 at 7:28 pm to BeepNode
If the mcas is turned off, then why were they not able to re trim the plane to level flight?
Sure, this software might be bad. But I’ve yet to see anything remotely close to showing the pilots didn’t have some major error too.
Sure, this software might be bad. But I’ve yet to see anything remotely close to showing the pilots didn’t have some major error too.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 8:33 pm to baldona
The OP is literally a WSJ link that suggests that
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the pilots didn’t have some major error too.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 8:42 pm to RedRifle
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Update: Pilots in Ethiopian Air crash followed Boeing’s emergency procedures
If it's Boeing; I ain't going.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 9:34 pm to baldona
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If the mcas is turned off, then why were they not able to re trim the plane to level flight?
Apparently you can't turn off *just* the MCAS. You can turn off all power assist / automation associated with the trim tab, and that includes the MCAS.
Think of it like an automobile where you can override lane-keeping assistance, but doing so also turns off your power steering pump. Sure sounds like a death trap to me.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 9:47 pm to baldona
I think until more is released why turning MCAS off didn’t work is being speculated a lot, but I did read the below earlier that they were first reacting to IAS disagree warning (which can be also caused by AOA sensor disagreement). This flight was going faster and closer to the ground than the Indonesian flight (but higher above sea level).
https://leehamnews.com/2019/04/03/et302-used-the-cut-out-switches-to-stop-mcas/
Below was from flightradar24 which didn’t get the last couple of minutes before crash.
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He also pointed out the high speeds observed in ET302’s FlightRadar24 trace (Figure 1) were logical. It’s a consequence of following the Emergency checklist for “IAS disagree” (IAS is Indicated Airspeed, i.e. the dynamic air pressure experienced by the aircraft) after takeoff. The combination of the preceding checklist followed by an MCAS Trim Runaway checklist could create a situation where manual trimming after a Trim Cut-Out would be difficult to impossible and would require non-checklist actions. Combined with the speed which follows from an “IAS disagree” Emergency checklist procedure the Pilot Monitoring (PM) could have problems to move the trim while Pilot Flying (PF) would fight to hold the Yoke against the elevator forces. At a larger miss-trim, the situation is unattainable.
https://leehamnews.com/2019/04/03/et302-used-the-cut-out-switches-to-stop-mcas/
Below was from flightradar24 which didn’t get the last couple of minutes before crash.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:26 pm to dallastigers
News just said they are blaming a bird strike that damaged a sensor causing MCAS to malfunction
Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:44 pm to 777Tiger
I don't know what the frick all this flight lingo means so take this for what it's worth.
My wifes stepmother is Ethiopian, her brother, believe it or not, is a commercial pilot in Ethiopia.
Knowing them, I can't imagine them doing anything other than exactly what they were told to do. If Boeing told them to do X in Y situation, I can't see them doing anything other than exactly that.
Again, for whatever that's worth
My wifes stepmother is Ethiopian, her brother, believe it or not, is a commercial pilot in Ethiopia.
Knowing them, I can't imagine them doing anything other than exactly what they were told to do. If Boeing told them to do X in Y situation, I can't see them doing anything other than exactly that.
Again, for whatever that's worth
This post was edited on 4/3/19 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 6:46 am to nola000
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