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re: Update: MJ Allegedly found w/ Dallas PwC Associate killed by DPD officer
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:53 pm to LarryCLE
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:53 pm to LarryCLE
quote:
I haven’t heard anything to indicate he acted irrationally. His apartment door was opened by a stranger and he investigated. In that split second how was he supposed to know it was really a cop coming into his apartment?
You are right. I'm sure the guy actually told the officer to shoot him in the chest. He probably asked for a double tap just to make sure actually.
How do you know it was only a split second? Has that been said? Honestly asking?
ETA: I doubt the officer shot him just because he was in what she thought was his place. My guess is that the officer pulled her gun, and he freaked out. Which frankly is perfectly justified. I'm simply saying that he likely triggered her to shoot. If he had drugs in his system that could explain it.
Should the officer get the death sentence? All I'm saying is drugs in the victim's blood could justify the officer getting less time.
I don't see how that's all that bad of a thing.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 4:54 pm
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:56 pm to baldona
quote:
All I'm saying is drugs in the victim's blood could justify the officer getting less time.
I don't see how that's all that bad of a thing.
That's actually a terrible thing.
The victims use of marijuana is completely irrelevant to this case.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:57 pm to baldona
Irrelevant. She was still in his house illegally. Whether by chance or choice it doesn’t matter. She entered his home, which is the root cause or his death, no matter what he did, had she not done so then he would be alive. She should bear the full weight of judgement. If he had shot her as an intruder would you be here saying that he should serve any jail time at all?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:59 pm to baldona
quote:I'm not sure why you think that is "likely."
I'm simply saying that he likely triggered her to shoot.
She was already on high alert as she walked in.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:59 pm to georgia
quote:
he had shot her as an intruder would you be here saying that he should serve any jail time at all?
He would either still be dead or looking at a death penalty charge for killing a police officer.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:59 pm to baldona
quote:
All I'm saying is drugs in the victim's blood could justify the officer getting less time.
I don't see how that's all that bad of a thing.
It's a terrible thing!
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:01 pm to baldona
quote:
I'm simply saying that he likely triggered her to shoot. If he had drugs in his system that could explain it.
I missed this. Wow....
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:02 pm to LSU 08
I admit I haven’t looked into this much but I just did.
My thoughts:
First off, the floors of the apartment building all look alike and she had only lived there for a couple of months. Apparently, she made her mistake in the parking garage. She could have easily been texting or something while going up the parking structure causing her to park on the wrong level.
She has all of her stuff in her arms when she gets to the door suggesting she actually thought it was her place.
She says that the door wasn’t pushed to. Family and what not say the door was closed all the way but how in bloody hell would they be able to know that?
If the door was closed all the way, her key card would not have worked and none of this would have happened. The only way this incident happens is if the apartment door is ajar like she said.
As she lived alone, she’d have no reason to knock or anything.
Dude is alone with all the lights out watching TV and hears the lady at the door and goes to see what is up. Confusion takes over.
If her tox screen is clean, I don’t even know how you charge her with negligent or involuntary homicide.
At that point, it’s just a confluence of shitty luck for all involved with no one doing anything wrong.
I go back to the door though, if that exterior door is closed and she can’t get in he probably comes to the door hearing her working the card, talks to her through the door, they figure it out and have a laugh over the situation.
If her tox is dirty it’s a new ballgame. If not, just a tragic misunderstanding that can be handled in civil court.
My thoughts:
First off, the floors of the apartment building all look alike and she had only lived there for a couple of months. Apparently, she made her mistake in the parking garage. She could have easily been texting or something while going up the parking structure causing her to park on the wrong level.
She has all of her stuff in her arms when she gets to the door suggesting she actually thought it was her place.
She says that the door wasn’t pushed to. Family and what not say the door was closed all the way but how in bloody hell would they be able to know that?
If the door was closed all the way, her key card would not have worked and none of this would have happened. The only way this incident happens is if the apartment door is ajar like she said.
As she lived alone, she’d have no reason to knock or anything.
Dude is alone with all the lights out watching TV and hears the lady at the door and goes to see what is up. Confusion takes over.
If her tox screen is clean, I don’t even know how you charge her with negligent or involuntary homicide.
At that point, it’s just a confluence of shitty luck for all involved with no one doing anything wrong.
I go back to the door though, if that exterior door is closed and she can’t get in he probably comes to the door hearing her working the card, talks to her through the door, they figure it out and have a laugh over the situation.
If her tox is dirty it’s a new ballgame. If not, just a tragic misunderstanding that can be handled in civil court.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:02 pm to Klark Kent
quote:
police department fricked up trying to cover it
Exactly how has the police department fricked up? Have you seen the investigative file? Are you privy to any of the evidence collected/testimony and statements given? What exactly has been botched/covered up?
Or are you just trying to gain some e-cred by running your yap merely because they haven't strung up this cop from a lamp post yet?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:05 pm to baldona
I'm no law scholar... and someone who is can correct me...
but I'm fairly certain that since the incident happened inside his apartment the police needed a search warrant for his apartment to collect all the evidence for the investigation into his death
of course everyone wants to make a big deal that the cops found some pot (mostly people who like to say stuff like "why these racist cops trying to slander this man by even serving a search warrant on his property")
however... the court won't care... and that's what will end up mattering... they needed this search warrant to find all the evidence from the actual incident
but I'm fairly certain that since the incident happened inside his apartment the police needed a search warrant for his apartment to collect all the evidence for the investigation into his death
of course everyone wants to make a big deal that the cops found some pot (mostly people who like to say stuff like "why these racist cops trying to slander this man by even serving a search warrant on his property")
however... the court won't care... and that's what will end up mattering... they needed this search warrant to find all the evidence from the actual incident
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:05 pm to Scoop
quote:There's a video of a resident of that place showing that it is impossible for those doors to be ajar.
She says that the door wasn’t pushed to. Family and what not say the door was closed all the way but how in bloody hell would they be able to know that?
The person who made the video had an agenda, so this is not vetted yet I don't think. So take that with a huge grain of salt
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:09 pm to SoFla Tideroller
quote:
Have you seen the investigative file? Are you privy to any of the evidence collected/testimony and statements given? What exactly has been botched/covered up?
Not quite the investigative file, but I did post this earlier in the thread. Also theres been reports of neighbors hearing a woman yelling "let me in" before gunshots.
Search Warrant for his apt
Her Arrest Affadavit
Again, maybe someone more technological than I can post up some images of the documents as I am on my phone atm.
Star Telegram (source of both above documents)
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:14 pm to castorinho
Then what?
Help me make sense of this:
Her: You live alone in an apartment. Your key card doesn’t work. Do you knock? No, you don’t.
Him: You hear someone fiddling at your door trying to get in. Do you just go open the door without looking through the peep hole and talking to the person outside? No, you don’t.
Either the door was ajar or he opened the door. One of these has to be true.
Help me make sense of this:
Her: You live alone in an apartment. Your key card doesn’t work. Do you knock? No, you don’t.
Him: You hear someone fiddling at your door trying to get in. Do you just go open the door without looking through the peep hole and talking to the person outside? No, you don’t.
Either the door was ajar or he opened the door. One of these has to be true.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:19 pm to georgia
quote:
She was still in his house illegally. Whether by chance or choice it doesn’t matter
If something happens by accident it sure as hell matters legally. I’m not talking about the difference between guilty or not guilty I’m talking about the severity of the sentence.
IF this was an accident and she enters the apartment thinking it was her own, then if she shot the victim for no other reason than he was there that is a hell of a lot different than if she shot him trying to hit her with a bat.
I don’t care if it was alcohol, Mj, Coke, whatever. I’m simply saying that having something in his system may be grounds to lighten her sentence.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:20 pm to Scoop
Unless they find evidence that they knew each other, her story is not unreasonable. Where she fricked up is that she was trigger happy.
quote:
Guyger, who was still in uniform, put her key in the door, which was unlocked, and the door opened, the official said. The lights were out. She saw a figure in the darkness and thought her apartment was being burglarized, the official said. Guyger pulled her gun and fired twice.
When she turned on the lights, she realized she was in the wrong apartment. Jean, who worked for PricewaterhouseCoopers, was shot once in the chest.
Authorities have said Guyger and Jean, a native of Saint Lucia in the Caribbean, did not know each other. Guyger, a nearly five-year veteran of the Police Department, had recently moved into the complex.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:21 pm to Scoop
quote:
First off, the floors of the apartment building all look alike and she had only lived there for a couple of months. Apparently, she made her mistake in the parking garage. She could have easily been texting or something while going up the parking structure causing her to park on the wrong level. She has all of her stuff in her arms when she gets to the door suggesting she actually thought it was her place. She says that the door wasn’t pushed to. Family and what not say the door was closed all the way but how in bloody hell would they be able to know that? If the door was closed all the way, her key card would not have worked and none of this would have happened. The only way this incident happens is if the apartment door is ajar like she said. As she lived alone, she’d have no reason to knock or anything. Dude is alone with all the lights out watching TV and hears the lady at the door and goes to see what is up. Confusion takes over. If her tox screen is clean, I don’t even know how you charge her with negligent or involuntary homicide. At that point, it’s just a confluence of shitty luck for all involved with no one doing anything wrong. I go back to the door though, if that exterior door is closed and she can’t get in he probably comes to the door hearing her working the card, talks to her through the door, they figure it out and have a laugh over the situation. If her tox is dirty it’s a new ballgame. If not, just a tragic misunderstanding that can be handled in civil court.
I’m seriously curious about the downvotes.
Did I say something unreasonable and/or have some facts wrong?
Seriously asking.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:21 pm to castorinho
quote:
There's a video of a resident of that place showing that it is impossible for those doors to be ajar.
Without seeing the video I was say that is no way to be true. Maybe without something foreign in the door. But it’s not like you couldn’t be a door stop.
For all we know the victim was waiting on someone and left the door open intentionally.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:24 pm to Cosmo
quote:
Something smells fishy here
She wanted to frick him but he didn't anything to do with her.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:26 pm to baldona
quote:
IF this was an accident and she enters the apartment thinking it was her own, then if she shot the victim for no other reason than he was there that is a hell of a lot different than if she shot him trying to hit her with a bat.
I don’t care if it was alcohol, Mj, Coke, whatever. I’m simply saying that having something in his system may be grounds to lighten her sentence.
Dude, are you honestly saying that she should get lighter sentence because the guy tried to defend himself in his own home?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:26 pm to baldona
This man who did nothing wrong is dead.
She caused him to die, nothing will lighten his death sentence, why should her prison sentence be altered? Tragic accident or not; his death is permant, and her negligence is the purpose, so she should bear full weight of that judgment under the charges that apply.
She caused him to die, nothing will lighten his death sentence, why should her prison sentence be altered? Tragic accident or not; his death is permant, and her negligence is the purpose, so she should bear full weight of that judgment under the charges that apply.
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