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jlovel7
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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ou're damned right. I'd rather take a bullet than shoot at a vehicle with a baby inside. I guess I'm not morally retarded enough to be a cop.


Those officers still have to protect all the people in traffic on the interstate. What if the perpetrator had hit 4 or 5 of them while driving?


dukke v
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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i've never stated they did. I have used words like "likely". Is that your whole argument? What if it was a friendly fire that shot the baby roger? Using that qualifier, do you now think all the best tactics were used in this hostage situation?




you are getting worse with each post.......


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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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you are getting worse with each post.......


This is the guy that bragged about returning an item to Academy for a refund, and he didn't buy the product from Academy.


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Chad504boy
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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but morally the wrong thing to do.

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as a career metro Cop has taught me that our primary objective is to preserve and protect life.
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The suspect vehicle was no longer mobile. Time was on their side. Negotiations were possibly already underway. If the suspect wanted to murder the child, he would have already done so.

Additional resources were quickly arriving. Every cop in this region was responding with additional tools.
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I don’t think placing themselves out in the open allowing the suspect to fire upon them was the correct choice.
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than I could the thought of knowing my bullets hit the child after placing myself out in the open and drawing fire.


peej is going to throw a shitbag tantrum.


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tgrbaitn08
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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How do you know the perp didn't shoot the kid?

Is that better?


no one knows that yet...but the baby was alive when it arrived at the hospital.


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Roughneck2020
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
All of those officers involved in the chase should have known there was a baby in the car. They all should have been on the same radio channel and one person, with a clear head, should have been giving orders. There should have been a plan in place before the maneuver. Professionalism and clear heads need to rule in a hostage situation. I would venture to bet in that long line of police cars that there were officers crossed trained as marksmen and that they had their rifles in their vehicles. This didn't look like anything was planned. It looked like, let's take out the car and surround it.


tigerinthebueche
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
STFU


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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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I would venture to bet


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Roughneck2020
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
I hope you're not a cop.


dukke v
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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I hope you're not a cop.





Are you?????


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Chad504boy
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
all of the defenders of the situation seem to have nothing valuable to offer in terms of debating the actual circumstances and counter points made. they act like the way the suspect was surrounded and attacked was out of their control. Like there wasn't an hour plus time of game planning knowing that a baby was kidnapped and held hostage.


dukke v
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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they act like the way the suspect was surrounded and attacked was out of their control.



From what I have heard the suspect started shooting first....



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Like there wasn't an hour plus time of game planning knowing that a baby was kidnapped and held hostage.




There was ZERO Time..... Im gonna ask you one more time... You really think the suspect was ready to do any negotiating???????


Roughneck2020
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
Yep. To me they are acting just like the police officers did yesterday. They want to be tough rather than smart. I want police officers to protect themselves and society. I want them to be professional and unemotional at all times. Perps deserve what they get as this one did yesterday. The child did not.


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eatpie
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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If the suspect wanted to murder the child, he would have already done so.


That's a stretch. He's already killed 2 people, including the mother of his child. He's actively shooting at the police. He was pursued by police from Baton Rouge to Mississippi.

It would be reasonable to assume he WAS going to murder the baby and kill himself. The police converging on the car, presumably to rescue the baby, would have been heroic. EXACTLY what we expect the police to do. When he started shooting, the officers would have reacted instinctively. I highly doubt any of them actually saw the baby.


Y.A. Tittle
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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Legally, the officers were allowed to use force to defend themselves when fired upon by the perp. However, morally I believe they should have not been so aggressive to approach or fail to find cover when the pursuit terminated.

The suspect vehicle was no longer mobile. Time was on their side. Negotiations were possibly already underway. If the suspect wanted to murder the child, he would have already done so.

Additional resources were quickly arriving. Every cop in this region was responding with additional tools.


I haven't watched the video. When did the perp start shooting at the cops after the vehicle was no longer mobile and when, as you say, negotiations may have been underway? I just read the story and looked at the posted photo, and from that, it appears they immobilised the guy in the best way possible (by surrounding his vehicle with their vehicles). It seems like there were several ways bad things could have gone down at that point (and one seems to have occurred) absent necessarily a better (or different) choice by the police here. In other words, something tragic.
This post was edited on 5/4 at 3:18 pm


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Chad504boy
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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From what I have heard the suspect started shooting first....




NO shite PEEJ. The COPS were all up on him in an active hostage situation knowing he was armed. For fricks sake peej.


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You really think the suspect was ready to do any negotiating???????


well the car slowed down and pulled to the median. it was worth trying before bullets were flown into the baby.


The People
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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The police converging on the car, presumably to rescue the baby, would have been heroic. EXACTLY what we expect the police to do


Sounds good on paper. There is a problem though, it didn’t work out like that.

Yesterday their fire likely missed the intended target and hit a 4 month old baby. Although brave and ambitious, this is an utter failure.

Bullets do weird things when they hit tapered safety glass. The risk wasn’t worth the reward.
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dukke v
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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well the car slowed down and pulled to the median. it was worth trying before bullets were flown into the baby.





OK heres whats up... Did the suspect shoot first or not????


deathvalleytiger10
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
And, I will revert back to my OP to you...

The Village Idiot has appeared.


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dukke v
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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The risk wasn’t worth the reward.


So the cops just supposed to sit there and let the suspect shoot at them just because he was using a baby as a human shield?/??????


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