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Lucky5150
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
You play a lot of video games, don't you??


eatpie
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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Bullets do weird things when they hit tapered safety glass.


No, they don't. Do some research. The trajectory changes very little if at all when bullets strike a windshield. the bullet may deform slightly, but the few feet of travel after striking a windshield make little difference in ultimate strike location.

Yes, I do know.

It was tragic the baby died, but the bullet that struck the baby quite possibly came from the perps gun. We don't know, and may never know. I'm not even certain if the baby was even struck by a bullet. Was that reported, or assumed?


Jaydeaux
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
I drove past that on the way home. Coulda been me. Oh and no pics of perp


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USMEagles
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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Those officers still have to protect all the people in traffic on the interstate. What if the perpetrator had hit 4 or 5 of them while driving?


The thing about shooting at babies is, you don't really have to ask yourself "what if." It's pretty well-known what happens to babies when you shoot them.


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The People
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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Do some research


Like shoot through glass during training? Yea, I have.

You sound personally attached to this thing. I am not.

Based on the information presented, I think this was a reckless shoot and that those present failed to utilize additional resources.

I am not gonna spend much more time defending this.

You have to live with whatever choice you make and the consequences from it.

I am good with mine.

Good luck.

ETA: I have spoken to sources that were there. It was friendly fire that killed the child.
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lsupride87
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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The risk wasn’t worth the reward.

How do you possibly know that? It seems very likely the man was going to kill the baby. So they had to hope to kill him first when he started shooting



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Chad504boy
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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Did the suspect shoot first or not????


actually peej. i don't know who shot first.



secondly peej, if it was the suspect that shot first, he shot because of the proximity of the police surrounding and moving in on him with a baby hostage.


lsupride87
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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the police surrounding and moving in on him
The police did this because the man already killed two people, leading them to believe they had to get to him before he killed the baby



Chad504boy
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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The police did this because the man already killed two people, leading them to believe they had to get to him before he killed the baby



so the solution was to unload their shots into the vehicle thus striking the baby?


lsupride87
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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so the solution was to unload their shots into the vehicle thus striking the baby?
Yes, If they shot the baby on purpose, they are idiots....

Once the man started shooting at them, the best thing for the baby was to fire upon the criminal and hope to kill him

If they stood there, and let the man murder all of them, the baby is pretty much guaranteed to then be shot as well

This wasnt a hostage situation of a man who hadnt proven to be killer, this was a hostage situation of a man who already killed two people. Swift action was absolutely the right call
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
"Gig" employment leaves alot of free time.


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Chad504boy
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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Yes, If they shot the baby on purpose, they are idiots....

Once the man started shooting at them, the best thing for the baby was to fire upon the criminal and hope to kill him

If they stood there, and let the mad murder all of them, the baby is pretty much guaranteed to then be shot as well


your method ended with a dead baby likely shot by friendly fire.
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Once the man started shooting at them


i love the point where you guys begin your argument.


lsupride87
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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your method ended with a dead baby likely shot by friendly fire.

1. How the the frickign world can you even pretend to know who shot the baby?

2. Once the man started shooting, the only chance the baby had was for the officers to kill him

I really want to know what you think officers should do when a criminal who just murdered two people and taken a baby should do? You are basically saying they should wait until the criminal gives the baby back?


Chad504boy
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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2. Once the man started shooting


pride, you should go back several pages. tactical mistakes were already made at this point.


lsupride87
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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I have spoken to sources that were there. It was friendly fire that killed the child.
You telling me they already ran ballistics?


lsupride87
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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pride, you should go back several pages. tactical mistakes were already made at this point.

According to you

Because, according to you, they should give space and time to a man who just committed double murder and on a chase with a baby. To me, that screams lynchpin situation where time cant be granted

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Chad504boy
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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You telling me they already ran ballistics?


you telling me that its more likely that the baby initially survived an intentional shot from the suspect from point blank range within a small car that was intending to murder the baby? Or its more likely baby took on friendly fire from cops who "unloaded into the vehicle"?


The People
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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You telling me they already ran ballistics?



Showing your lack of experience in the industry and lack of inside information.

You don’t need ballistics fragments to determine trajectory of rounds in wounds, approximate caliber of rounds, and range of weapon when fired into a body.
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RazorBroncs
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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secondly peej, if it was the suspect that shot first, he shot because of the proximity of the police surrounding and moving in on him with a baby hostage.


You don't know this, and I would even argue the opposite - that the police being at a slightly greater distance would've made no difference.

The perp was still a murderer on the run from police, had been through a long chase through 2 states, weaved around spike strips and done everything he possibly could to be evasive and escape arrest despite 10+ police cars chasing him.

He was CLEARLY wanting to go out in a blaze of glory and HAD to have realized that there's no possible chance he could get away. Baby or not, about 20 officers in 10+ units were chasing him and not giving up.

The police stopping an extra 50 yards away wasn't going to change a THING. This guy just wanted to wreak as much havoc as he could before either dying by police or getting severely injured and going to jail. It happens pretty regularly.

They could've stopped their units further away from the stopped vehicle with the intent to negotiate, and I guarantee the guy still comes out guns blazing. That's the frame of mind he was in, that was his purpose by that point.

So when he's in the median of an interstate wantonly firing towards police cars and traffic while using his vehicle as cover, what are the officers supposed to do? This doesn't change if the officers are right up on him or 100 yards away. They HAD to fire back, period.

I think the baby getting shot in the crossfire is extremely unfortunate and sad, but the only failure on the officers is not having better aim. I train with law enforcement all the time and you wouldn't believe how awful some of them are at the range, but the majority of them have never even had to fire their service weapon in the line of duty.

These type of situations are unfortunate and sad, but unavoidable sometimes when dealing with pure evil embodied in a perp with nothing to lose. Sometimes there's collateral damage when stopping someone from wreaking havoc on more innocent civilians.

Source: am a US Marshal that has seen too many suspects like this


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lsupride87
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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you telling me that its more likely that the baby initially survived an intentional shot from the suspect from point blank range
Way more likely to survive a gunshot from close range

I thought you hunted and understood ballistics?


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