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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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Why are y’all piling on Chad here?


I'd say its a bad combination of emotions and stupidity.


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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
So, shoot for the legs, riiight?


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deathvalleytiger10
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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sniper


Always a great day when the village idiot shows his face.


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Always a great day when the village idiot shows his face.


I'm not so sure you'd want the cops unloading into the vehicle if that was your baby held hostage.


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I'd say its a bad combination of emotions and stupidity.






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Unfortunately this is what people will focus on at the fault of the officers rather than the mad man who murdered two people and abducted him knowing he was going to use this baby as a human shield while shooting at officers.


You're damned right. I'd rather take a bullet than shoot at a vehicle with a baby inside. I guess I'm not morally retarded enough to be a cop.


ForeverEllisHugh
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Unless you know the baby was on the floor or seat and you are aiming for the guy's head


This. You have to ACQUIRE the target and ensure there’s no reasonable chance of killing the hostage before you pull the trigger.


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eatpie
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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some of those officers had rifles with scopes


Almost no chance ANY of the officers have rifles with scopes. MAYBE "red-dot" sights, but that's not the same as a precision scope.

You have no idea what you are talking about. And quite likely (at least some of) the officers did not know there was a baby in the car, much less being used as a human shield.


eatpie
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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I'd say its a bad combination of emotions and stupidity.



Your emotions and stupidity and ignorance of the reality of the situation are the issue in this thread. A baby died, thats terrible.


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eatpie
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I guess I'm not morally retarded enough to be a cop


You are definitely morally retarded, and you couldn't be a cop. You are a coward.


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deathvalleytiger10
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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I'm not so sure you'd want the cops unloading into the vehicle if that was your baby held hostage.


Did I say anything about the baby?

I am responding to the idiocy of your post about using a sniper. As if a Sniper is readily available at all times and all locations. C'mon boy.


Chad504boy
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As if a Sniper is readily available at all times and all locations.


They were chasing this dude for miles and miles and miles and deployed all sorts of tactics. GTFO of here with you can't have a shooter with a rifle. I've already said their tactic of running up on the suspect was absolutely stupid. They should have kept distance, de-escalate situation and bought more time. Instead, they likely shot the baby themselves.


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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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You're damned right. I'd rather take a bullet than shoot at a vehicle with a baby inside.


Nah you wouldn't. You would shoot back.

I love the virtue signaling here. Guess men aren't much different than women.


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dukke v
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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Instead, they likely shot the baby themselves.







whoa...




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I've already said their tactic of running up on the suspect was absolutely stupid. They should have kept distance, de-escalate situation and bought more time.



You ever been a cop???? I sure hope not.....


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RogerTheShrubber
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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Instead, they likely shot the baby themselves




How do you know the baby wasn't already dead?


Chad504boy
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How do you know the baby wasn't already dead?



roger, you need to do a better job of following the story.


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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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How do you know the baby wasn't already dead?



Roger....for the last fricking time. The baby was brought to the hospital alive and was in stable condition yesterday


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RogerTheShrubber
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
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roger, you need to do a better job of following the story.


How do you know the perp didn't shoot the kid?

Is that better?



The People
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re: UPDATE: Baby from yesterday's interstate chase has died. From a single GSW.
I watched the video of the encounter when the shooting unfolds multiple times and can only conclude that this was legally a good shoot, but morally the wrong thing to do.

Everything in my background, training, and experience as a career metro Cop has taught me that our primary objective is to preserve and protect life.

Legally, the officers were allowed to use force to defend themselves when fired upon by the perp. However, morally I believe they should have not been so aggressive to approach or fail to find cover when the pursuit terminated.

The suspect vehicle was no longer mobile. Time was on their side. Negotiations were possibly already underway. If the suspect wanted to murder the child, he would have already done so.

Additional resources were quickly arriving. Every cop in this region was responding with additional tools.

It was a tough judgement call. Absent more information, I don’t think placing themselves out in the open allowing the suspect to fire upon them was the correct choice.

I could live with the thought of a homicidal manic executing an infant inside a vehicle before I had the chance to intervene much easier than I could the thought of knowing my bullets hit the child after placing myself out in the open and drawing fire.

ETA: The chase and the intel that followed it was a long event. Every cop on scene knew the vehicle was occupied with a child, the suspects previous efforts to use the child as a hostage while firing on Officers, and the location of the child in the vehicle (perps lap) prior to the pursuit terminating.



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Chad504boy
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How do you know the perp didn't shoot the kid?

Is that better?


i've never stated they did. I have used words like "likely". Is that your whole argument? What if it was a friendly fire that shot the baby roger? Using that qualifier, do you now think all the best tactics were used in this hostage situation?


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