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re: University of California abolishes sat/act testing requirement

Posted on 5/22/20 at 6:06 am to
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 6:06 am to
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So Aunt Becky is going to prison for nothing now.


No because the school she fraudulently got her kids in isn’t in the UC system
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
7906 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 6:20 am to
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They are basically test to see how you can study for a test

I was supposed to study for the ACT? How do you study for a comprehensive assessment test? Reread all your high school books?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170274 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 6:35 am to
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To do well you either have to have a high IQ or work your arse off or both.

How is that a bad thing to gauge?


I don't know if you remember taking the ACT but they had some really stupid subjective questions

What would be a better title for this short story? Um, that's not a fricking legit question. That's completely subjective.
Posted by Picayuner
Member since Dec 2016
3778 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 6:42 am to
I think the test are important. It's the only way to separate an A student from John Ehret and an A student from Jesuit. There's no comparing the schools so the ACT and SAT tells us the truth.
Posted by theronswanson
House built with my hands
Member since Feb 2012
3188 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 6:43 am to
[quote]Not surprising. They need warm bodies right now to shore up that top heavy piece of shite.[/quote

The UC system is one of the most, if not the most, competitive and selective public university system in the country. They don’t “need warm bodies.” Haven’t looked into why they are doing this but they didn’t get to where they are by making foolish decisions.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
30198 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:14 am to
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A lot of people will here will probably shite on this because it's California but those test are worthless


If those tests are worthless, then all tests are worthless.

What do we do then?
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
30198 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:21 am to
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Unfortunately, that's not going to happen any time soon. They'll get bailed out rather than fix their business model. It's going to be a long, drawn out, expensive death.


No. Here in NC, we've been through round after round of budget cuts over the last 10 years. Depts have lost almost half of operating budgets, positions (especially middle management) and R&R money.

Not immune.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
52698 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:26 am to
ACT was weak as F, took it once as a sophomore in HS and made a 31, math score pulled me down they wouldnt let me use my calculator because it was an TI 89 instead of an 83
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
52698 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:28 am to
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If those tests are worthless, then all tests are worthless.

What do we do then?


Awards degrees based on race, wokeness and social justice
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463891 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:28 am to
you used a calculator on the ACT? pussy

reminds me of the kids i did testing at for LSU before my freshman year who couldn't believe you could do trig without a calculator
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
58759 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:28 am to
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They are basically test to see how you can study for a test



The prep courses are more for understanding time management and familiarizing students with the format of questions they expect to see. I can't imagine those classes can give a person more than 2-3 point increase as there isn't a way to actually study for tests like the ACT
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
52698 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:31 am to
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you used a calculator on the ACT? pussy



Over 20 years ago, how old are you lawyer boy, and no I didnt use one, I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Not a good look for a lawyer.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463891 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:32 am to
yeah you can study for portions of the SAT (at least the traditional SAT when rote memorization of vocabularoy was a huge portion of it) but the ACT wasn't really a "study" test. you could practice taking it, but the required knowledge barrier was pretty low.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463891 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:33 am to
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Over 20 years ago, how old are you lawyer boy, and no I didnt use one, I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Not a good look for a lawyer.

calm down
Posted by footballdude
BR
Member since Sep 2010
1111 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:34 am to
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Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44116 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:34 am to
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The UC system is one of the most, if not the most, competitive and selective public university system in the country.


That tends to happen when you're right smack dab in the middle of one of the most densely populated parts of the country.

quote:

Haven’t looked into why they are doing this


You probably should.

quote:

but they didn’t get to where they are by making foolish decisions.


They're now making foolish decisions based on their previously accrued reputation. This won't last forever.



Posted by Gings5
Member since Jul 2016
10668 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:35 am to
No they aren't. You just show up and take them.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463891 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:38 am to
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They're now making foolish decisions based on their previously accrued reputation.

yeah this is all because, no matter what they do, the way we value/rank colleges has put them in rarefied air

i laughed at the posts earlier about how "strenuous" they are. the hardest part about being a student at an elite college (especially in non-STEM fields) is getting in. after that, it's busy work and grade inflation (which they justify based on...how hard it is to get in )

it's a rigged system which allows leeway to decrease the quality of your student body without a negative response of the public
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463891 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:48 am to
also let me be clear. my argument above isn't some indirect defense of LSU and lesser-rated institutions

i went to LSU b/c i was poor and it was extremely cheap. i sacrificed going to much better schools b/c i couldn't afford them

while at LSU, i was almost always in classes with total fricking idiots that should never have sniffed a JUCO let alone an allegedly good educational institution (LSU wasn't rated that bad when i went). upper level psychology classes would always blow my fricking mind at how dumb people, WHO HAD BEEN IN COLLEGE 2-4 YEARS, could be. really taught me how worthless a college degree could be
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:00 am to
I had a friend who was a total slacker and not all that bright rock a 2.1 GPA two years into Chemical Engineering. He switched into Business after going on academic probation, and never made less than an A in any class after the switch. Told me it was basically impossible to fail and that the vast majority of the classes were rooted in common sense.

That anecdote was the first time I started to believe that college was a waste of time and money outside of STEM fields.
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