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re: University of Alabama proposes changes to core curriculum: Lit and History not required
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:22 am to StringedInstruments
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:22 am to StringedInstruments
Another move at watering down everything for the lowest common denominator in the name of fairness and equality...
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Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:23 am to GetBackToWork
quote:Well stated.
This is a predictable if disappointing trend.
College was meant to enrich and broaden young minds; helping teach people how to learn, how to write, how to consider ideas, and analyze issues. Universities bungled this with hyper micro-analysis and critical studies turning everything upside down. The masses of students were no longer equipped to handle modern job market requirements and/or were ill-served by their chosen studies.
It is easier to become a trade school than do the work required to rethink the modern university. We will now produced legions of students who can slot into entry-market jobs, which is actually important, but lack the life-long thinking and perspective a classic liberal arts education once endowed upon its students. When new hires send emails failing to convey a clear message or critical issue clearly, you'll know why.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:28 am to GreatLakesTiger24
I’m currently writing a 5 page annotated bibliography for English 102 at the age of 41 and I’m about to shove my fist through this screen. This is the biggest waste of time.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Could probably knock a quarter or more out in High School.
AP Classes exist for this.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:34 am to Gee Grenouille
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I’m currently writing a 5 page annotated bibliography for English 102 at the age of 41 and I’m about to shove my fist through this screen. This is the biggest waste of time
You’re learning how to conduct academic inquiry, select credible and applicable sources, objectively summarize sources, and synthesize diverse sets of information. You’ll ultimately produce an original argument on a topic based on the work you’re doing.
You really don’t see how that has value for an informed, well-rounded citizen? One who wants to participate in life and careers with creativity and intellect?
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:34 am to GetCocky11
one of my granddaughters is a frosh in HS, she is taking college applicable classes. She wants to graduate HS in three years.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:39 am to IAmNERD
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So they are just devaluing a diploma even further. Reducing the hours to get your degree, while costs will continue to rise...
I don't get it.
You probably don't get it, because you can't read. They are reducing the general portion of degree paths and increasing hour requirements within your major of choice. That part of it seems like a pretty good idea.
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Overall reduction of core credit hours from 53-55 credit hours over two years to 37-38 credit hours, with advanced education requirements within major
ETA: I will say that English/Literature classes were some of the most beneficial for me, and it's bullshite to replace those with a "Cultures & Societies" requirement. English/Literature classes teach communication and logic, which are two of the most important aspects of most careers. But, on the other hand, there are some general classes that are probably irrelevant to most. For example, I didn't need to take a general geology class, when my field/major has literally nothing to do with that, and no real knowledge/skills that I learned in that class are applicable to my life. Another example is chemistry, everything that I needed to know about chemistry in my life was learned in high school.
This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 10:52 am
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:52 am to StringedInstruments
Two courses that are needed now, more than ever.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:55 am to alpinetiger
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This is a predictable if disappointing trend.
College was meant to enrich and broaden young minds; helping teach people how to learn, how to write, how to consider ideas, and analyze issues. Universities bungled this with hyper micro-analysis and critical studies turning everything upside down. The masses of students were no longer equipped to handle modern job market requirements and/or were ill-served by their chosen studies.
It is easier to become a trade school than do the work required to rethink the modern university. We will now produced legions of students who can slot into entry-market jobs, which is actually important, but lack the life-long thinking and perspective a classic liberal arts education once endowed upon its students. When new hires send emails failing to convey a clear message or critical issue clearly, you'll know why.
Well stated.
Thanks. I work in a technical field, yet most of the broad based career skills I draw upon are clearly rooted in my BA undergrad and not MS graduate degree.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:10 am to IAmNERD
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So they are just devaluing a diploma even further. Reducing the hours to get your degree, while costs will continue to rise...
It doesn't reduce the hours to get a degree.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:10 am to StringedInstruments
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From reading about and speaking to someone who works at the university, these changes will eliminate the requirement for students to take a literature or a history course. They can work around literature by choosing courses that are labelled "humanities" or "fine arts." They can also work around history by taking sociology and psychology courses (or anything labeled "social/behavioral").
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:15 am to StringedInstruments
They are trying to close the statistical gap by lowering standards
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:17 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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terrible. as a society, we need more people who are well versed in literature and history.
In theory, this is true. However, the actual practice of it is people in other majors do not take these requirements serious and find the easiest blow off courses to fulfill your 1-2 classes for each subject. It essentially becomes a waste of time, and a semester filler trying to get your 15-18 hours and wanting a class that you can blow off. If they mandated, you take certain literature & history classes that actually made sense to have a more well-versed student; then I could see the argument for keeping them.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:18 am to StringedInstruments
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They can also work around history by taking sociology and psychology courses (or anything labeled "social/behavioral").
Of course. Don't teach them anything in high school and nothing in college. Keep them dumb to what this country used to be and pump them full of social bullshite. Sounds perfect.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:23 am to StringedInstruments
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Also, students for their core curriculum can take statistics instead of more "pure" math courses.
Without the proper math background you'd be lost in a statistics course. Unless they water it down too.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:30 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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terrible. as a society, we need more people who are well versed in literature and history.
I’ve had a long, successful career and I’m a handful of years away from retirement and I do not agree with you.
From my perspective, it was a complete waste of my time as a student learning about the art of storytelling. And history? After school, we often learn that much of the crap we were told wasn’t even true.
I did develop a later in life interest in history and read several Paul Johnson books cover to cover. It was much more meaningful to do it because I wanted to, rather than because I was made to.
But the history and literature classes I was made to learn in school didn’t teach me anything other than a lack of respect for academia. That’s actually a pretty good outcome, but getting there via reading Thomas Sowell was a much more productive journey.
I’d rather see students take basic economics and life skills classes. If we want kids to learn the art of storytelling and the art of lying about history, why not just make them take a class in politics?
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:37 am to Willie Stroker
quote:oh well that settles it
I’ve had a long, successful career and I’m a handful of years away from retirement and I do not agree with you.
quote:proof that any dummy can make it in america
From my perspective, it was a complete waste of my time as a student learning about the art of storytelling. And history?
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:38 am to IAmNERD
quote:bullshite. I went to school to become an engineer. Humanities classes aren't relevant to my degree, and are just a money grab by those departments.
they are just devaluing a diploma even further.
I would have taken additional engineering classes if given the choice between science and history. This would have increased my value as an engineer.
This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 11:41 am
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:43 am to Oates Mustache
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Better yet, you get your history consumption through biased social media.
LSU may as well follow suit since TD exists. Nothing but straight facts around here.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 11:45 am to Willie Stroker
I wish I had taken more gen. ed. classes,not less. I use very little of what I learned in my major, and what I do use I could have picked up on the job. Most people today don't know the philosophical roots of our form of government, don't know a foreign language, don't know how and why the world wars started. People like that are easily lied to and easily led.
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