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University of Alabama proposes changes to core curriculum: Lit and History not required
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:49 am
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:49 am
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From reading about and speaking to someone who works at the university, these changes will eliminate the requirement for students to take a literature or a history course. They can work around literature by choosing courses that are labelled "humanities" or "fine arts." They can also work around history by taking sociology and psychology courses (or anything labeled "social/behavioral").
Further, they no longer have to take a foreign language in college if they've satisfied the requirements in high school.
Also, students for their core curriculum can take statistics instead of more "pure" math courses.
On one hand, I see this as a good thing for colleges to question what is necessary for students to graduate. They're reducing the core curriculum and giving more choice to students to take courses that may better pertain to their goals in attending a university.
On the other hand, the university experience has always been seen as a way to provide a person with a "higher education" that makes them a more informed, better citizen who has developed mind to live a freer life. Pigeonholing the student's experience to focus on job training in their major is getting further away from that ideal. But obviously as costs skyrocket, people want the best ROI.
I wonder how many other universities will adopt these kinds of changes in the upcoming years.
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Same General Education core curriculum for all UA students
Overall reduction of core credit hours from 53-55 credit hours over two years to 37-38 credit hours, with advanced education requirements within major
Reduction of writing-intensive requirement from 6 to 3 credit hours
Reduction of humanities, literature, and fine arts requirement from 12 to 9 credit hours
Reduction of history and social/behavioral requirements from 12 to 9 credit hours
Requirement for all UA graduates to have completed foreign language in high school or at UA (by removal of computer science option)
Greater flexibility in requirements for fine arts, humanities, literature, history, and social behavioral sciences
Expansion of mathematics requirement to include statistics
Addition of Cultures & Societies requirement for all UA graduates
From reading about and speaking to someone who works at the university, these changes will eliminate the requirement for students to take a literature or a history course. They can work around literature by choosing courses that are labelled "humanities" or "fine arts." They can also work around history by taking sociology and psychology courses (or anything labeled "social/behavioral").
Further, they no longer have to take a foreign language in college if they've satisfied the requirements in high school.
Also, students for their core curriculum can take statistics instead of more "pure" math courses.
On one hand, I see this as a good thing for colleges to question what is necessary for students to graduate. They're reducing the core curriculum and giving more choice to students to take courses that may better pertain to their goals in attending a university.
On the other hand, the university experience has always been seen as a way to provide a person with a "higher education" that makes them a more informed, better citizen who has developed mind to live a freer life. Pigeonholing the student's experience to focus on job training in their major is getting further away from that ideal. But obviously as costs skyrocket, people want the best ROI.
I wonder how many other universities will adopt these kinds of changes in the upcoming years.
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Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:51 am to StringedInstruments
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taking sociology
People will opt out of actual relevant classes to take this class which is just marxism presented as social science.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:51 am to StringedInstruments
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Overall reduction of core credit hours from 53-55 credit hours over two years to 37-38 credit hours,
So they are just devaluing a diploma even further. Reducing the hours to get your degree, while costs will continue to rise...
I don't get it.This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 9:54 am
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:52 am to StringedInstruments
If you can write well you will always find productive work
It's amazing that such a basic skill with such obvious benefits is being deprioritized
It's amazing that such a basic skill with such obvious benefits is being deprioritized
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:53 am to IAmNERD
People will take easier classes, identity related.
The fringe social sciences will do well.
The fringe social sciences will do well.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:53 am to StringedInstruments
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Further, they no longer have to take a foreign language in college if they've satisfied the requirements in high school.
Wish this was around when I went to college
Although I got college credit for my foreign language courses so I didn't have to take any at LSU, it's dumb that I took like 2 years of Spanish and 4 years of French (in middle school/high school) and would STILL had to have taken some foreign language courses in college
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:54 am to StringedInstruments
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literature or a history course
From my experience, these were BS, easy courses to fill our your schedule anyways. The only reason I remember either of these courses, is because I asked my advisor for the easiest lit class, Children's Literature, and I was hungover/slept through most of my Early World History class.
All of my lit and history classes were easy A's if you put in any effort. B's if you 1/2 assed it.
This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 9:56 am
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:54 am to IAmNERD
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So they are just devaluing a diploma even further. Reducing the hours to get your degree, while costs will continue to rise...
I think overall hours will be the same but there will be more requirements for major courses.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:55 am to StringedInstruments
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sociology
Made up bullshite. UFology and Mixology are more grounded in the real world than sociology.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:55 am to StringedInstruments
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History not required
If we do not study history we are doomed to repeat it...
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:56 am to Packer
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From my experience, these were BS, easy courses to fill our your schedule anyways. The only reason I remember either of these courses, is because I asked my advisor for the easiest lit class, Children's Literature, and I was hungover/slept through most of my Early World History class.
Or the opposite: a psycho professor who takes his British Lit class too seriously. Ask me how I know.
The biggest issue for universities and the utopian view of a “liberal education” is that most professors absolutely suck as teachers. Lecturing on an esoteric subject for 3 hours a week does very little for the students in retaining and understanding concepts and skills learned in a course.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:57 am to StringedInstruments
If you don't know history, you can't stop it from happening again. All by design.
Better yet, you get your history consumption through biased social media.
Better yet, you get your history consumption through biased social media.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:57 am to StringedInstruments
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Lit and History not required
Isn't the same as..
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Reduction of humanities, literature, and fine arts requirement from 12 to 9 credit hours
Reduction of history and social/behavioral requirements from 12 to 9 credit hours
Do you write for the Advocate?
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:58 am to StringedInstruments
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Addition of Cultures & Societies requirement for all UA graduates
This should be fun
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:59 am to StringedInstruments
History is so 1776-2008
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:59 am to StringedInstruments
Kids in Alabama ain't learn to write too good.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:00 am to StringedInstruments
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Or the opposite: a psycho professor who takes his British Lit class too seriously. Ask me how I know.
That was sort of my Early World History professor. 2 hour lecture, she took attendance in the beginning which affected your grade, and after the break we took at the hour mark, she would give a graded quiz.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:00 am to StringedInstruments
To graduate from a state school you should have 3 majors, no core courses.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:01 am to StringedInstruments
terrible. as a society, we need more people who are well versed in literature and history.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:01 am to Pettifogger
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If you can write well you will always find productive work
I would actually say if you can learn to communicate and interview well + construct your resume and application skills well "you will always find productive work".
Lit and History don't help with writing:
(after reading this it could be confusing - but my Literature class had no "writing" test in it for college, you basically had to read a book a week and write a paper on it, that was it)
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From my experience, these were BS, easy courses to fill our your schedule anyways. The only reason I remember either of these courses, is because I asked my advisor for the easiest lit class, Children's Literature, and I was hungover/slept through most of my Early World History class.
All of my lit and history classes were easy A's if you put in any effort. B's if you 1/2 assed it.
My lit class was a joke - I would stay up partying with my friends until 2-3am and then walk over to the library and read whatever BS the professor told me to read and write whatever they wanted me to write on the subject and still get back to my dorm and get some sleep.
One of the easiest As
History I didn't even try, I BS'd all of it to an A
Maybe if we would get rid of all these BS classes the college student's wouldn't have as much free time to take pointless other classes that people on this board constantly complain about
just a thoughtThis post was edited on 11/3/22 at 10:04 am
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