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re: UNH's UnitedHealth CEO shot and killed

Posted on 12/4/24 at 9:53 am to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 9:53 am to
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This post was edited on 5/11/26 at 9:24 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24213 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 9:55 am to
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Remove all the blood suckers from the hospital issues


What do you mean by this?


Go into any ER in the afternoon and enjoy the people watching.
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
5562 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 9:55 am to
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I am not surprised that he was targeted. There are a lot of crazy people out there and some of them have probably had to deal with United Healthcare



Right, saying you're not surprised isn't the same as condoning it. Hell I'm surprised the head honchos at At&t and Dish Network haven't at least heard a bullet whiz by them.

There is a lot of crazy people out there and there are a lot of people who feel like they have been mistreated by several companies.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17242 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 9:57 am to
What could he have that is not known to many others at "corporate"? Life is not like the movies where one guy - just one guy - gets, like, an email or something at 2am when he is in surfing his email in his pajamas and all of a sudden an email or some communication comes exposing "the truth" and now he has to race against time and evil forces to save the world before noon, everyone else be damned. Like the TV show 24. Good plot but totally unreal. If he had info, so did a dozen of his deputies, (possibly) his spouse, his head of PR, corporate lawyers, etc. etc. They would need to kill 30 people to keep something closed up.

I am just speculating, but it seems to me to be either just random bullspit NY crazy arse crime - like getting pushed on the subway tracks - or - it truly targeted - "you mofos denied my mother treatment for her breast cancer and now she is dead because of your company!" type of stuff. But that is just speculation of course, could be totally wrong.
Posted by Dr Lecter
Baltimore, MD
Member since Oct 2012
1344 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 9:59 am to
lol what crime would he be pardoned for? Real world crime, not fake conspiracy Q shite.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41093 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:01 am to
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I'd want an MD that was more concerned with the cost of care and directly how it relates to improved outcomes rather than doing what THEY think is right regardless of my out of pocket cost and the economic strain on the healthcare system.


This guy wants his doctor thinking about the economic strain on the healthcare system at large when making a decision on how to treat him lmao.


You sound like a fricking toolbag.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:02 am to
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Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:03 am to
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Go into any ER in the afternoon and enjoy the people watching.


Sure.

How many of those people can't get a regular doctor because they're either not accepting new patients or they have one and they can't see them for 2-3 weeks?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45567 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:03 am to
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I'd want an MD that was more concerned with the cost of care and directly how it relates to improved outcomes rather than doing what THEY think is right regardless of my out of pocket cost and the economic strain on the healthcare system. So in short, no. In that blanket question, my blanket answer would be no.


The recommendations for treatment of diabetes goes like this.
1. Lifestyle changes (aka diet and exercise).
2. Metformin
3. Sulfonylurea
4. SGLT-2 inhibitor such as Jardiance
5. GLP-1 agonist such as Ozempic
6. Insulin

The patient in my example had tried lifestyle changes, maximum dosage of metformin, and maximum dosage of a SGLT-2 inhibitor and the patient's A1C was still above goal. A GLP-1 agonist like Ozempic is the most effective thing for improving hemoglobin A1C and reducing the patient's risks for complications from diabetes when the patient had reached that point. The NP was being lazy and expecting that United would review the patient's chart to see that the patient had tried the other stuff and did not achieve A1C control. Insurance companies may or may not read the note from the one office visit where the medication was prescribed but they definitely are not going to review a patient's chart. Ozempic costs $1000 per month (the costs of the complications from diabetes is much greater btw). Do you want a provider who is going to either tell you to do something that you have tried and it did not work, let you pay out of pocket for a $1000 per month medication, let your diabetes go uncontrolled, or would you prefer a provider who is going to spend an extra 90 seconds in your chart documenting to get the most effective treatment option for you at that stage of your disease approved by your insurance?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:06 am to
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The patient in my example had tried lifestyle changes


Doubt it
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45567 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:07 am to
quote:

Remove all the blood suckers from the hospital issues


What do you mean by this?


Go into any ER in the afternoon and enjoy the people watching.


You could easily do this by requiring a $100 co-pay to be seen in the ER. Hospitals could waive the co-pay if the patient is admitted. Also there should be a 3 strike rule for people showing up to the ER because they skipped dialysis.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20301 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:08 am to
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What do you mean by this?



baldona, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think means that hospitals make their entire nut on commercially insured patients. Think United, BCBS, Aetna, Cigna, etc. They break even on Medicare, lose money on Medicaid, and absolutely lose their shorts on uninsured (which they call "Self Pay").

These are facts. Without commercially insured (non governmental) patients, most hospitals would collapse in a few month. Those patients, thus those insurance companies, carry the entire hospital business.


ETA:

Again, I work in consulting and often focus on healthcare clients and I do this almost every day.

This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 10:09 am
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20301 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:09 am to
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You could easily do this by requiring a $100 co-pay to be seen in the ER.


EMTALA
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
11106 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:10 am to
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they denied the shooter's kid or wife (probably)


This. Sometimes in grief people get into a rage and want revenge. This is a sad statement on the state of healthcare in this country.

You have worry about copycats.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17242 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:11 am to
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You could easily do this by requiring a $100 co-pay to be seen in the ER.


Some people don't have that.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24213 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:12 am to
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quote:
The patient in my example had tried lifestyle changes


Doubt it


Lol, I agree.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
48991 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:13 am to
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20301 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:13 am to
EMTALA requires all hospitals that want to participate in Medicare (which is 99.9999% of them) to treat any and all patients that present themselves in the emergency room regardless of their ability to pay a single cent.

That is why poor, uninsured people use ERs as urgent cares and homeless shelters.
Posted by hatevolstiger
Nashville
Member since Jun 2008
186 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:14 am to
Listen to this one its real corruption. They are drugging these kids and sending out hits. Its long. I partly disagree with some of it like the pentagon missile theory on 911 but this ship is about to sail

LINK

Pill bottles on the street
LINK

"He previously served as the company’s head of government programs, including Medicare and retirement"
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 10:18 am
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
48991 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:14 am to
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I want a fair and internationally broadcast trial with everything declassified for this monster so people finally understand who he is and will go down as the single most loathed human being since Adolf Hitler.
where can we read the rest of your manifesto?
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