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re: Tyreek Hill Arrest Footage Released
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:05 pm to AlterDWI
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:05 pm to AlterDWI
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I'm amazed how many people want to die on the "im not rolling my window down" hill. That's the battle you choose?
Actually, we’ve gone a tad farther than that. We are debating how far down a window needs to be and how long it must remain down.
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 1:06 pm
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Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:09 pm to Hester Carries
I think he was annoyed the guy was knocking on his window. He seemed to be running late as well. A couple hundred bucks in speeding tickets isn't much when you make 30 million a year.
Tyreke's demeanor shouldn't change the way a professional does their job.
When you deal with the public you have to expect some people are going to speak to you in a demeaning manor.
It's part of the job.
I've worked customer service call center jobs in my youth and have been called every name under the sun. We were not allowed to respond in kind, or hang up. We maintained a professional tone and attempted to de-escalate any confrontations.
Tyreke was acting like a big shot and speaking to the officer like he was a peasant inconveniencing him. The officer's ego was hurt and he escalated the stop to something it didn't have to be.
Both were wrong. The problem is one was a private citizen and the other works for the government in public service, and was on the clock. His behavior has to be better.
Tyreke's demeanor shouldn't change the way a professional does their job.
When you deal with the public you have to expect some people are going to speak to you in a demeaning manor.
It's part of the job.
I've worked customer service call center jobs in my youth and have been called every name under the sun. We were not allowed to respond in kind, or hang up. We maintained a professional tone and attempted to de-escalate any confrontations.
Tyreke was acting like a big shot and speaking to the officer like he was a peasant inconveniencing him. The officer's ego was hurt and he escalated the stop to something it didn't have to be.
Both were wrong. The problem is one was a private citizen and the other works for the government in public service, and was on the clock. His behavior has to be better.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:12 pm to BhamDore
quote:He has every right to be the a-hole he was being. He just needed to do so while following the lawful orders of rolling his window back down
Tyreke was acting like a big shot and speaking to the officer like he was a peasant inconveniencing him. The officer's ego was hurt and he escalated the stop to something it didn't have to be.
He could have been a perfectly ripe a-hole with a simple quick ticket that way
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:14 pm to lsupride87
Why are we still talking about this??
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:23 pm to lsupride87
Most people have no idea what a lawful order is. A lawful order is an order backed up by a law. There is no law in any state in America that states you must roll down your window.
Any lawyer will tell you to not roll down your window and only crack it and present your documents.
Rolling down your window allows police to use the plain view doctrine. Anything illegal in your vehicle in plain sight is now in play. It's also hard for cops to lie and say the smell the odor of marijuana if you don't let down your windows.
The only lawful order he was given was to exit the car. That is backed up by Pennsylvania v Mims. It's case law. You must exit the vehicle on a traffic stop if directed to by law enforcement. It appeared he was complying with that order, but wasn't moving hastily enough for the officers.
All in all it's just the state of policing in America. We live in a police state where the police will inflict violence on you if you don't display the proper amount of deference.
Half the country will defend them and the cycle continues.
Any lawyer will tell you to not roll down your window and only crack it and present your documents.
Rolling down your window allows police to use the plain view doctrine. Anything illegal in your vehicle in plain sight is now in play. It's also hard for cops to lie and say the smell the odor of marijuana if you don't let down your windows.
The only lawful order he was given was to exit the car. That is backed up by Pennsylvania v Mims. It's case law. You must exit the vehicle on a traffic stop if directed to by law enforcement. It appeared he was complying with that order, but wasn't moving hastily enough for the officers.
All in all it's just the state of policing in America. We live in a police state where the police will inflict violence on you if you don't display the proper amount of deference.
Half the country will defend them and the cycle continues.
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:36 pm to BhamDore
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Most people have no idea what a lawful order is. A lawful order is an order backed up by a law. There is no law in any state in America that states you must roll down your window. Any lawyer will tell you to not roll down your window and only crack it and present your documents.
You are one of the people that has no idea what a lawful order is
This is directly from two large criminal law firms in the state of Florida
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Yes, in Florida, you are required to roll your window down when the police are attempting to pull you over. It's important to comply with this requirement to ensure a smooth interaction with law enforcement.
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Do you have to roll your window for police in Florida? Yes, at the first safe location, pull over, roll your window down, turn your vehicle off, and place your hands on the steering wheel.
I can also post an actual video of an attorney debunking the internet myth of “just crack your window and hand documents” if you would like
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:39 pm to lsupride87
If you you can cite the actual law it would be gladly appreciated. If not then anything you post is useless and opinion based, not lawful.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:46 pm to BhamDore
quote:The actual law doesn’t cite you have to do anything besides “follow lawful orders”
If you you can cite the actual law it would be gladly appreciated. If not then anything you post is useless and opinion based, not lawful.
The actual law gives no examples of what a lawful order is. Therefore it’s up for existing case law to determine such. Do you think you know more about Florida case law than Florida law firms?
Thinking laws give every example and if a specific example isn’t listed it doesn’t count is one of the wildest things to come out of this
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:48 pm to BhamDore
The first cop was trying to deal with the situation, both at the window and on the sidewalk. It was Juan badass come running up and yanking Hill out of the car then later running in and grabbing Hill by the neck and taking him to the ground.
POS cop that shouldn’t have a badge.
POS cop that shouldn’t have a badge.
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:58 pm to BhamDore
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I've worked customer service call center jobs in my youth and have been called every name under the sun. We were not allowed to respond in kind, or hang up.
Because you would lose a customer lol.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 2:03 pm to OMLandshark
I know people are arguing over who is at fault. Is it possible they both could have handled it better?
Posted on 9/10/24 at 2:06 pm to lsupride87
You keep citing this state law yet ignore federal case law dealing with traffic stops. Again, you are ignorant to that and what they did that violated it. He was on the phone when being instructed by legal council and cooperated.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 2:11 pm to momentoftruth87
Please show me any flrodia or federal case law that would not include something as simple as rolling down your window as a lawful order
It’s somewhat wild to even attempt to argue rolling down your window isn’t a lawful order while making you exit the vehicle entirely is
It’s somewhat wild to even attempt to argue rolling down your window isn’t a lawful order while making you exit the vehicle entirely is
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 9/10/24 at 2:23 pm to BhamDore
quote:For sure as a call center person you shouldn't have to take abuse, but equating that with that of being an officer of the law is laughable.
When you deal with the public you have to expect some people are going to speak to you in a demeaning manor.
It's part of the job.
I've worked customer service call center jobs
Posted on 9/10/24 at 2:26 pm to BhamDore
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He just needed to do so while following the lawful orders of rolling his window back down
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Most people have no idea what a lawful order is. A lawful order is an order backed up by a law. There is no law in any state in America that states you must roll down your window.
This is the difference between a LSU education and a Vanderbilt Education...
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 9/10/24 at 2:29 pm to BhamDore
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The only lawful order he was given was to exit the car. That is backed up by Pennsylvania v Mims. It's case law. You must exit the vehicle on a traffic stop if directed to by law enforcement. It appeared he was complying with that order, but wasn't moving hastily enough for the officers.
Don’t they need to have a reason there is a threat to their safety for that?
Posted on 9/10/24 at 2:32 pm to Sampson
You never roll your windows up unless under a storm or police officer says its ok
It’s a matter of respect Tyreek was like y’all do what you Gotta do and then rolled his window up
if you’re pulled over for reckless driving, they could arrest you for that right away is simply 20 miles over the speed limit that is considered reckless driving in most states
It’s a matter of respect Tyreek was like y’all do what you Gotta do and then rolled his window up
if you’re pulled over for reckless driving, they could arrest you for that right away is simply 20 miles over the speed limit that is considered reckless driving in most states
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 9/10/24 at 2:52 pm to ApexTiger
Wasn’t he doing 80 in a 40?
Posted on 9/10/24 at 2:55 pm to Lsut81
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Saw posted somewhere 120 in a 40
He was on a go route.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 2:58 pm to SwampGar
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You do not know shitake about me
Negative
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That is how the person you are voting for President talks about our military veterans
We know that you are one of these douche bags.
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