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re: Tyreek Hill Arrest Footage Released
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:28 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:28 pm to lsupride87
Even crazy Antonio Brown agrees to keep them down. Not saying he was legally required to.
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Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:31 pm to Lonnie Utah
quote:I’m not a fan of the way cops are trained to violate rights, but once they have RAS or PC for the stop, the law grants them a decent amount of latitude in requiring a detained person to exit a vehicle or obey a command that promotes officer safety during the interaction. While more than likely it’s really just a demonstration of authority in a pissing contest between a couple of low IQ individuals, the command to keep the window down, especially a tinted window, would certainly be reasonable for officer safety.
And why can't you comprehend that keeping the window rolled down isn't a lawful order because it's not backed up by law? You don't have to do EVERYTHING law enforcement says.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:31 pm to Lonnie Utah
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2). There is no law that requires he KEEP his window down during the course of the interaction. Therefore, the police cannot LAWFULLY require him to roll it back down. They can REQUEST it, but he is not obligated to comply. Any "order" to roll the window back down isn't legal. I cannot make it more simple that that.
I’m gonna need some clarification here… are you this dug into your position that you can’t see how fricking stupid this sounds?
How is the officer supposed to communicate with Hill? The windows are blacked out (so you can’t see into the car) and it’s next to impossible to hear/understand wtf the person in the car is saying. How the hell are they supposed to conduct any type of ‘business’ that way? Be real man. This is fricking crazy
That doesn’t even begin to discuss the safety issues the cop has to face in that situation. The perp could have a gun pointed right at the officer and he’d have no clue. How’s he supposed to handle that?
I’m genuinely curious
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:32 pm to broadhead
There is no law and will never be a law saying “you have to keep your window down”
That is covered under the “lawful order” statute
The argument one would have to make is being told to roll down the window is an unlawful order. Trying to argue that while the us Supreme Court has already decided being ordered to get out the car completely is lawful would be asinine and not a single attorney would do it
Hills amttorney would never be dumb enough to argue what Lonnie is trying to argue here. And that’s why hills attorneys statement never attempted that. His statement says hill responded to the window requests in a timely manner
I disagree of course but that is the attorneys argument. He nor any attorney would argue against the lawful order of rolling down the window.
That is covered under the “lawful order” statute
The argument one would have to make is being told to roll down the window is an unlawful order. Trying to argue that while the us Supreme Court has already decided being ordered to get out the car completely is lawful would be asinine and not a single attorney would do it
Hills amttorney would never be dumb enough to argue what Lonnie is trying to argue here. And that’s why hills attorneys statement never attempted that. His statement says hill responded to the window requests in a timely manner
I disagree of course but that is the attorneys argument. He nor any attorney would argue against the lawful order of rolling down the window.
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:35 pm to WDE24
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I’m not a fan of the way cops are trained to violate rights, but once they have RAS or PC for the stop, the law grants them a decent amount of latitude in requiring a detained person to exit a vehicle or obey a command that promotes officer safety during the interaction.
They RAC for speeding, reckless driving or what ever traffic violation they wanted to write him up for, but that was all. Especially within the first min of contact with the suspect.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:35 pm to TheRouxGuru
quote:His argument is the officer can only lawfully order you to fully exit the vehicle, but he can’t order you to simply roll the window down
I’m gonna need some clarification here… are you this dug into your position that you can’t see how fricking stupid this sounds?
I shite you not that is his argument
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:36 pm to lsupride87
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There is no law and will never be a law saying “you have to keep your window down”
Exactly. And that's why their second order for him to roll down the window was unlawful.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:37 pm to Lonnie Utah
There is no law that says he can make you exit the vehicle either
Some idiot once that like you then the Supreme Court let him know his idiocy
Nobody has actually been dumb enough to try it with the simple order of rolling down a window
Some idiot once that like you then the Supreme Court let him know his idiocy
Nobody has actually been dumb enough to try it with the simple order of rolling down a window
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:38 pm to TheRouxGuru
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How is the officer supposed to communicate with Hill?
Why does he have to communicate with him? He already had everything he needed to complete the traffic stop. Additionally, Mr. Hill is under no obligation to communicate with the police (it's the 5th amendment, ever heard of it?). All the cop had to do was return to his bike, write the ticket and return. If that happens, none of us ever hears about it.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:39 pm to lsupride87
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There is no law that says he can make you exit the vehicle either
I won't disagree with this.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:39 pm to lsupride87
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His argument is the officer can only lawfully order you to fully exit the vehicle, but he can’t order you to simply roll the window down
I mean, at some pernt, common sense has to come into play. I’d really like to see HIM address my post
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I shite you not
My Asian buddy told me this once after accidentally swallowing some yarn
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:39 pm to TheRouxGuru
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How is the officer supposed to communicate with Hill? The windows are blacked out (so you can’t see into the car) and it’s next to impossible to hear/understand wtf the person in the car is saying. How the hell are they supposed to conduct any type of ‘business’ that way? Be real man. This is fricking crazy
In the latest video from the first officers bodycam you can see into the windows. It isn't 5% window tint or anything crazy. You don't have to speak to police. You legally are requited to present your license. He could have pressed it up against the window if he wanted, officer writes down info then writes the ticket, returns and gets offender to sign and everyone goes on their way.
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That doesn’t even begin to discuss the safety issues the cop has to face in that situation. The perp could have a gun pointed right at the officer and he’d have no clue. How’s he supposed to handle that?
Could isn't law. He handles that by asking him to get out of the car. Both parties could have handles this much better but look at the legality of the stop and not the a-hole football player because one day you could be dealing with an overzealous cop. Once you do your mindset changes.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:41 pm to lsupride87
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Nobody has actually been dumb enough to try it with the simple order of rolling down a window
For your viewing pleasure...
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:42 pm to lsupride87
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His argument is the officer can only lawfully order you to fully exit the vehicle, but he can’t order you to simply roll the window down
I shite you not that is his argument
Man you're really showing your butt here. USSC ruled you can be forced out the car. I don't agree with it but the court ruled that legal. There is no law about lowering your window or keeping it down during the stop. You must present your license!
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:44 pm to grizzlylongcut
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How the hell did this thread blow up so much
Good question but it needs to be whacked. So much more important things going on in this world than deciding if rolling down the window is legal or not.
By the way fuk Tyreek who thinks he's above the law speeding 60 in a 30. Lucky they didn't take his arse to jail and he missed the game then what
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:44 pm to broadhead
quote:No shite. So how in the frick do you think they would rule for a simple thing like rolling down your window?
Man you're really showing your butt here. USSC ruled you can be forced out the car. I don't agree with it but the court ruled that legal.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:46 pm to Lonnie Utah
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He already had everything he needed to complete the traffic stop.
Did he? I didn't see him hand over his license, proof of insurance, and/or vehicle registration before rolling his window back up. You do have to provide those things to police, if requested, during a traffic stop to be in compliance with the law. Officers also have the right to ask drivers to exit their vehicles during a lawful stop (See Pennsylvania v. Mimms (SCOTUS, 1977)
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Additionally, Mr. Hill is under no obligation to communicate with the police (it's the 5th amendment, ever heard of it?)
EH, yes and no. See above. He can choose not to comply with information he's required to provide police during a valid traffic stop...and they can also arrest him for not providing them that information and/or escalate a simple traffic stop to more than it needed to be (see Hill acting like an a-hole and doing exactly that)
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:46 pm to OMLandshark
This is why you don't hand illegals a badge and a gun
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:47 pm to lsufball19
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Did he? I didn't see him hand over his license, proof of insurance, and/or vehicle registration before rolling his window back up. You do have to provide those things to police, if requested, during a traffic stop to be in compliance with the law. Officers also have the right to ask drivers to exit their vehicles during a lawful stop (See Pennsylvania v. Mimms (SCOTUS, 1977)
All he asked for was his DL which Mr. Hill provided, in other words he gave them everything they asked for. The other things they can get from their databases.
He didn't immediately exit the vehicle when asked but the whole interaction lasted less than a min. They hardly gave him time to get out. Regardless, he wasn't charged with refusing to exit, likely because the cops knew that charge would never stick.
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:47 pm to lsufball19
quote:This is an actual practicing attorney Utah. Let’s see you argue your ridiculous stance with him
lsufball19
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