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re: Two Racist High School Seniors in Georgia Expelled for Tik Tok video

Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:19 am to
Posted by bigpetedatiga
Alexandria, LA
Member since Aug 2009
8775 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:19 am to
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How do so many on the OT not understand Code of Conduct policies that nearly every school have?


Because muh feelings and muh 1st amendment.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138533 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:25 am to
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Elleshoe
when did you learn how to use Westlaw?
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
59282 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:32 am to
Haven't watched it but it sounds like something people would have enjoyed had Dave Chapelle or Key & Peele had done it.

#DoubleStandards
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
20635 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:44 am to
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How do so many on the OT not understand Code of Conduct policies that nearly every school have? Students can and have been expelled for violating Code of Conduct policies across the country for years.


Private or public school? Private then your argument is valid.

If it’s a public school then they shouldn’t be expelled for something that occurs outside of school.
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143780 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:45 am to
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quote:
Elleshoe
when did you learn how to use Westlaw?


I actually copied and pasted from an article from a google search
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 10:45 am
Posted by tigercross
Member since Feb 2008
5067 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:46 am to
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If it’s a public school then they shouldn’t be expelled for something that occurs outside of school.


Are you trying to argue that public schools shouldn't have codes of conduct? They almost all do and the courts have consistently backed them on this.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
46369 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:47 am to
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If it’s a public school then they shouldn’t be expelled for something that occurs outside of school.



Codes of Conduct have covered this since I was in high school a looong time ago.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138533 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:50 am to
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Elleshoe
when did you learn how to use Westlaw?


I actually copied and pasted from an article from a google search
that's funny

Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143780 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:51 am to
Lexis is superior anyway
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
21240 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:53 am to
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Whew this thread has brought out the racists and racist apologists in this thread


Who is apologizing for them? Pretty easy for you call people racists though, huh?

There is no disputing what these two did was exponentially stupid but are we really going go down this route of kicking people out of school for something like this? What’s next?

Do you see the big picture here or are your feelings to hurt recognize it?
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 10:56 am
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89812 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:02 am to
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Good write up on the difference
LINK


They are saying it's all rooted together. It's their opinion that racism is a system. A system that gives advantages to whites over people of color.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
80913 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:09 am to
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Are you trying to argue that public schools shouldn't have codes of conduct? They almost all do and the courts have consistently backed them on this.


They're an arm of the government. They shouldn't be allowed to punish speech that's merely offensive (as opposed to harassing or threatening).

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46152 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:11 am to
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I must have missed that section of the Constitution



No, you missed the rest of my entire post that gives what you quoted context.

Or you're an idiot.

I'll let you pick.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
80913 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:12 am to
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created a social media page meant to get fellow students to harass a classmate (Kowalski v. Berkeley County Schools, 652 F.3d 565 (4th Cir. 2011))

sent classmates instant messages full of violent language about shooting other students at school (Wynar v. Douglas County School Dist., 728 F.3d 1062 (9th Cir. 2013))

wrote a blog with racist and sexually explicit, degrading comments about classmates that upset many students and disrupted classes (S.J.W. v. Lee’s Summit R-7 School Dist., 696 F.3d 771 (8th Cir. 2012)), and
posted an online video of a rap recording about two school coaches that was intended to reach fellow students and intimidated the coaches with threatening, violent language (Bell v. Itawamba County School Bd., 799 F.3d 379 (5th Cir. 2015)).


All of those were targeted at fellow students or staff.
Posted by Chef Free Gold Bloom
Wherever I’m needed
Member since Dec 2019
1364 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:12 am to
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Are you trying to argue that public schools shouldn't have codes of conduct?


Public schools should absolutely NOT have a code that governs non-criminal, constitutionally protected activity outside of campus and completely unrelated to school in any way.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46152 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:15 am to
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All of those were targeted at fellow students or staff.


That's the biggest issue here. There were no threats directed at any person or group of people, much less anyone involved with the school. Having a racist opinion is not a threat, no matter how many people in this thread wish it to be.



This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 11:16 am
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
28424 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:15 am to
Their video was awful, shameful, and embarrassing.

That said, I don’t know if they should be expelled for it. On one hand, I think they absolutely deserve to be punished and feel the pain of their stupid mistake. On the other hand, I think it might be an overreach to expel them for racist words on a video. Glad I’m not the one that has to make that decision, because I see both sides of it.


Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:22 am to
God its so frustrating living in a world of zero tolerance reactionaries.

Simple solution is simple: they either make an apology video - so that when they show up back at school the disturbance is minimized - or they face expulsion.

They'd have apologized.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46152 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:23 am to
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Simple solution is simple: they either make an apology video - so that when they show up back at school the disturbance is minimized - or they face expulsion.


But this isn't an option. Those kids must now be destroyed.

Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
21240 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:25 am to
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Those kids must now be destroyed.


And some would have no issue with that.

Slippery slope
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