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Posted on 10/22/22 at 11:45 am to crazy4lsu
we are a couple posts away from people claiming that slavery had a positive impact on african americans in the long run
Posted on 10/22/22 at 11:48 am to WestCoastAg
This thread could be a case study on why social media is terrible for society 
no good comes from arguing with people on the internet
no good comes from arguing with people on the internet
Posted on 10/22/22 at 11:50 am to WestCoastAg
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we are a couple posts away from people claiming that slavery had a positive impact on african americans in the long run
If only the poor, innocent Europeans had stayed in Europe, they never would have been introduced to all of these savage foreign practices.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 11:52 am to MikeyFL
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Actually, it's because no one with a basic understanding of logic gives a shite.
Using an illogical statement to claim logic?
Logic is derived from the objective observance of reality, not giving "a shite" about reality is when discussing logic is definitely illogical.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 11:55 am to Bard
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Logic is derived from the objective observance of reality, not giving "a shite" about reality is when discussing logic is definitely illogical.
Logically tell me how there weren't millions of white slaves if slavery was solely about labor needs and not about racism.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:00 pm to Bard
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Logic is derived from the objective observance of reality, not giving "a shite" about reality is when discussing logic is definitely illogical.
Do you just type shite and hope someone doesn't notice? Logic is a specific discipline used to determine whether conclusions follow from premises.
Nothing you've said has qualified as 'objective observance' either.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:05 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:A far worse fate for their ancestors awaits had they stayed in Africa.
we are a couple posts away from people claiming that slavery had a positive impact on african americans in the long run
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:05 pm to Darth_Vader
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Yes. There were not that many, and not all did it willingly, but there were blacks who did indeed fight for the Confederacy. Since this goes against the modern leftist narrative concerning blacks and the Confederacy, it’s almost impossible to find mention of them on the internet in anything resembling factual terms
If it did not happen often. Then wouldn't it make sense that there's not many sources regarding this?
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:06 pm to HangmanPage1
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A far worse fate for their ancestors awaits had they stayed in Africa.
Literally the same thing European merchants said to justify slavery. Nice.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:06 pm to HangmanPage1
and there it is
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:08 pm to WestCoastAg
'But don't you understand! We did these people a favor by subjecting them to a brutal, hereditary chattel slavery system that destroyed families. Because you see, after we either brought them over on a voyage that killed many of them, we fed AND clothed them! Slavery was really magnanimity on the part of the Europeans!'
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:11 pm to imjustafatkid
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No. We're supposed to concede that slavery was socially accepted in the past throughout most of human history, and was not inherently "racist." And then stop trying to apply modern sensibilities to history at the cost of all of our freedoms.
We are talking about American slavery here. Do you really want to argue that this form of slavery wasn't racism. Is that the hill you want to die on?
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:29 pm to SOSFAN
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Factual numbers show there were a few thousand black slave owners.
3775 (including mixed-race) of 395,216 (0.96%) total slaveholders that owned a total of 12,760 slaves of the over 2 million owned.
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The largest slave owner in the midlands of South Carolina was William " April" Ellison
He was the largest black slave owner. He owned 68 slaves at the start of the civil war. Interestingly, two of his sons tried to sign up for the Confederate Army but were denied due to their race.
The estate of the largest slaveholder in South Carolina owned 1130 slaves at the start of the civil war. So if the largest owner of slaves in the Midlands of South Carolina only had 68 slaves, that leads me to believe there were not any significant slaveholders in the Midlands.
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he was a black man that was actually born a slave yet earned his freedom then bought his former masters plantation and increased the amount of slaves he owned.
Yeah, he purchased his freedom from and later purchased the plantation from the man generally considered to be his biological father, William Ellison, Sr.
He is a very interesting person to read about.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:30 pm to West Palm Tiger561
If one of the re-enactors had busted out a bullwhip, it would become less funny real fast.
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:31 pm to PetroBabich
Literally everyone has slave ancestors. Let's not give into recency bias.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:32 pm to SOSFAN
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There obviously was racism in those days but slavery was more about business. How can it be racist when whites, Indians and blacks all owned slaves?
Again if all colors of race owned slaves wouldn't that point more to a necessity for farming, at that time, as opposed to racism.
If slavery was actually not racist at all, and completely equal opportunity. Please show me all of the examples of white people being slaves to black people.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:33 pm to mdomingue
Agreed, William Ellison has an interesting history.
One of my favorite podcasts, Bear Grease, tells the story of Holt Collier.
He was born a slave and joined the 9th Texas cavalry at 14. He became a legendary hunter and actually guided Teddy Roosevelt on a couple bear hunts in Mississippi
One of my favorite podcasts, Bear Grease, tells the story of Holt Collier.
He was born a slave and joined the 9th Texas cavalry at 14. He became a legendary hunter and actually guided Teddy Roosevelt on a couple bear hunts in Mississippi
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:34 pm to WestCoastAg
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we are a couple posts away from people claiming that slavery had a positive impact on african americans in the long run
It isn't even an argument that the descendants of slaves in the U.S.A. are far better off than had they remained in Africa.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:38 pm to TrueTiger
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